"Greg" wrote in message
...
Well, over the year, since the castration, I have been too busy in grad
school as well as working, and although I noticed that the younger,
neutered dog, was getting a little pudgy, I left that up to the wife and
kids to deal with.

Simple solution - less food and more exercise.
What you need to do is get the fat off your dog for his health. Feel the
back of your handbhind the knuckles. That's what you should feel when you
run your hands over your dog's ribs.
Dogs are fat because too many calories in and too little calories burned.
Try substituting green beans or canned pumpkin (not pie mix!) gradually
increasing the amount.

I have a nuetered male and an intact male. Neither are fat. But I exercise
them and control thier feed.

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

AKA? You mean AKC? Were the parents shown? Was the breeder breding towards
a standard and active in competeition events with thier dogs? If not they
probably weren't sleecting for a particular physical type, just throwing a
couple of random goldens together. I have seen amazingly oversized cockers
turned out by backyard breeders, and my stud dog (breed champion working on
his agility champion ship and his master hunter) will occasionally throw a
small bitch.
Since he was neutered so late, it is unlike you are seeing the delay in
growth plate closures that can be caused by early spay/nutereing (like at
3-5 months).

--
Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/

"Greg" wrote in message
...
Well, over the year, since the castration, I have been too busy in grad
school as well as working, and although I noticed that the younger,
neutered dog, was getting a little pudgy, I left that up to the wife and
kids to deal with.

Simple solution - less food and more exercise.
What you need to do is get the fat off your dog for his health. Feel the
back of your handbhind the knuckles. That's what you should feel when you
run your hands over your dog's ribs.
Dogs are fat because too many calories in and too little calories burned.
Try substituting green beans or canned pumpkin (not pie mix!) gradually
increasing the amount.

I have a nuetered male and an intact male. Neither are fat. But I exercise
them and control thier feed.

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

AKA? You mean AKC? Were the parents shown? Was the breeder breding towards
a standard and active in competeition events with thier dogs? If not they
probably weren't sleecting for a particular physical type, just throwing a
couple of random goldens together. I have seen amazingly oversized cockers
turned out by backyard breeders, and my stud dog (breed champion working on
his agility champion ship and his master hunter) will occasionally throw a
small bitch.
Since he was neutered so late, it is unlike you are seeing the delay in
growth plate closures that can be caused by early spay/nutereing (like at
3-5 months).

--
Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/

"Greg" wrote in message
...
Well, over the year, since the castration, I have been too busy in grad
school as well as working, and although I noticed that the younger,
neutered dog, was getting a little pudgy, I left that up to the wife and
kids to deal with.

Simple solution - less food and more exercise.
What you need to do is get the fat off your dog for his health. Feel the
back of your handbhind the knuckles. That's what you should feel when you
run your hands over your dog's ribs.
Dogs are fat because too many calories in and too little calories burned.
Try substituting green beans or canned pumpkin (not pie mix!) gradually
increasing the amount.

I have a nuetered male and an intact male. Neither are fat. But I exercise
them and control thier feed.

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

AKA? You mean AKC? Were the parents shown? Was the breeder breding towards
a standard and active in competeition events with thier dogs? If not they
probably weren't sleecting for a particular physical type, just throwing a
couple of random goldens together. I have seen amazingly oversized cockers
turned out by backyard breeders, and my stud dog (breed champion working on
his agility champion ship and his master hunter) will occasionally throw a
small bitch.
Since he was neutered so late, it is unlike you are seeing the delay in
growth plate closures that can be caused by early spay/nutereing (like at
3-5 months).

--
Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/

"Greg" wrote in message
...
Well, over the year, since the castration, I have been too busy in grad
school as well as working, and although I noticed that the younger,
neutered dog, was getting a little pudgy, I left that up to the wife and
kids to deal with.

Simple solution - less food and more exercise.
What you need to do is get the fat off your dog for his health. Feel the
back of your handbhind the knuckles. That's what you should feel when you
run your hands over your dog's ribs.
Dogs are fat because too many calories in and too little calories burned.
Try substituting green beans or canned pumpkin (not pie mix!) gradually
increasing the amount.

I have a nuetered male and an intact male. Neither are fat. But I exercise
them and control thier feed.

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

AKA? You mean AKC? Were the parents shown? Was the breeder breding towards
a standard and active in competeition events with thier dogs? If not they
probably weren't sleecting for a particular physical type, just throwing a
couple of random goldens together. I have seen amazingly oversized cockers
turned out by backyard breeders, and my stud dog (breed champion working on
his agility champion ship and his master hunter) will occasionally throw a
small bitch.
Since he was neutered so late, it is unlike you are seeing the delay in
growth plate closures that can be caused by early spay/nutereing (like at
3-5 months).

--
Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/

"Greg" wrote in message
...
Well, over the year, since the castration, I have been too busy in grad
school as well as working, and although I noticed that the younger,
neutered dog, was getting a little pudgy, I left that up to the wife and
kids to deal with.

Simple solution - less food and more exercise.
What you need to do is get the fat off your dog for his health. Feel the
back of your handbhind the knuckles. That's what you should feel when you
run your hands over your dog's ribs.
Dogs are fat because too many calories in and too little calories burned.
Try substituting green beans or canned pumpkin (not pie mix!) gradually
increasing the amount.

I have a nuetered male and an intact male. Neither are fat. But I exercise
them and control thier feed.

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

AKA? You mean AKC? Were the parents shown? Was the breeder breding towards
a standard and active in competeition events with thier dogs? If not they
probably weren't sleecting for a particular physical type, just throwing a
couple of random goldens together. I have seen amazingly oversized cockers
turned out by backyard breeders, and my stud dog (breed champion working on
his agility champion ship and his master hunter) will occasionally throw a
small bitch.
Since he was neutered so late, it is unlike you are seeing the delay in
growth plate closures that can be caused by early spay/nutereing (like at
3-5 months).

--
Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/

Greg wrote:

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

Greg,
What are AKA papers? Did you see the parents of this dog? Personally, I
wouldn't necessarily trust the vet to know if the dog is purebred. Many vets
don't have that much knowledge of different breeds.
There has been some research that shows that neutering before the growth
plates close will delay the closing, hence neutered dogs tend to be taller than
their unneutered littermates.





And why is he do pudgy? I could not get the Vet
to agree that castration is associated with weight gain,

Check the amount of food he is being fed and the amount of exercise he is
getting. You may also want to make sure that his thyroid function is normal.

It just seems to be bad medicine to do a procedure or treatment where
the beniefit/harm relationship hasn't been clearly documented.


Except that there has been show the benefit of decreased prostrate problems and
a decrease in a certain type of perianal adenomas with castration. Of course
castration also removes the chance of testicular cancer. Pubmed should be able
to link you to articles on those benefits.

Beth

Greg wrote:

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

Greg,
What are AKA papers? Did you see the parents of this dog? Personally, I
wouldn't necessarily trust the vet to know if the dog is purebred. Many vets
don't have that much knowledge of different breeds.
There has been some research that shows that neutering before the growth
plates close will delay the closing, hence neutered dogs tend to be taller than
their unneutered littermates.





And why is he do pudgy? I could not get the Vet
to agree that castration is associated with weight gain,

Check the amount of food he is being fed and the amount of exercise he is
getting. You may also want to make sure that his thyroid function is normal.

It just seems to be bad medicine to do a procedure or treatment where
the beniefit/harm relationship hasn't been clearly documented.


Except that there has been show the benefit of decreased prostrate problems and
a decrease in a certain type of perianal adenomas with castration. Of course
castration also removes the chance of testicular cancer. Pubmed should be able
to link you to articles on those benefits.

Beth

Greg wrote:

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

Greg,
What are AKA papers? Did you see the parents of this dog? Personally, I
wouldn't necessarily trust the vet to know if the dog is purebred. Many vets
don't have that much knowledge of different breeds.
There has been some research that shows that neutering before the growth
plates close will delay the closing, hence neutered dogs tend to be taller than
their unneutered littermates.





And why is he do pudgy? I could not get the Vet
to agree that castration is associated with weight gain,

Check the amount of food he is being fed and the amount of exercise he is
getting. You may also want to make sure that his thyroid function is normal.

It just seems to be bad medicine to do a procedure or treatment where
the beniefit/harm relationship hasn't been clearly documented.


Except that there has been show the benefit of decreased prostrate problems and
a decrease in a certain type of perianal adenomas with castration. Of course
castration also removes the chance of testicular cancer. Pubmed should be able
to link you to articles on those benefits.

Beth

Greg wrote:

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

Greg,
What are AKA papers? Did you see the parents of this dog? Personally, I
wouldn't necessarily trust the vet to know if the dog is purebred. Many vets
don't have that much knowledge of different breeds.
There has been some research that shows that neutering before the growth
plates close will delay the closing, hence neutered dogs tend to be taller than
their unneutered littermates.





And why is he do pudgy? I could not get the Vet
to agree that castration is associated with weight gain,

Check the amount of food he is being fed and the amount of exercise he is
getting. You may also want to make sure that his thyroid function is normal.

It just seems to be bad medicine to do a procedure or treatment where
the beniefit/harm relationship hasn't been clearly documented.


Except that there has been show the benefit of decreased prostrate problems and
a decrease in a certain type of perianal adenomas with castration. Of course
castration also removes the chance of testicular cancer. Pubmed should be able
to link you to articles on those benefits.

Beth

Greg wrote:

We went to the vets the other day and much to everyone's amazement, the
dog weighed over 160 lbs. We all knew that he was pudgy, but he's also
just taller and longer than any other dog in our area except a Great
Dane down the street. Although the AKA papers and Vet certify his pure
bred status, he's longer and taller than any police dog you've ever
seen.

Greg,
What are AKA papers? Did you see the parents of this dog? Personally, I
wouldn't necessarily trust the vet to know if the dog is purebred. Many vets
don't have that much knowledge of different breeds.
There has been some research that shows that neutering before the growth
plates close will delay the closing, hence neutered dogs tend to be taller than
their unneutered littermates.





And why is he do pudgy? I could not get the Vet
to agree that castration is associated with weight gain,

Check the amount of food he is being fed and the amount of exercise he is
getting. You may also want to make sure that his thyroid function is normal.

It just seems to be bad medicine to do a procedure or treatment where
the beniefit/harm relationship hasn't been clearly documented.


Except that there has been show the benefit of decreased prostrate problems and
a decrease in a certain type of perianal adenomas with castration. Of course
castration also removes the chance of testicular cancer. Pubmed should be able
to link you to articles on those benefits.

Beth