LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
Leah:Actually, it's not Lee and I who differ. It's Lee and the rest of
the world. :}

Not "the rest of the world", just the rest of the *dog* world.

A distinction without difference.

--
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Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:



It's a special kind of cruelty, but it's cruelty nonetheless.



Now this sounds like something Dr. Phil would say.

And I am not implying it isn't true, just very Philish
in some ways.

Gwen

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:



It's a special kind of cruelty, but it's cruelty nonetheless.



Now this sounds like something Dr. Phil would say.

And I am not implying it isn't true, just very Philish
in some ways.

Gwen

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:



It's a special kind of cruelty, but it's cruelty nonetheless.



Now this sounds like something Dr. Phil would say.

And I am not implying it isn't true, just very Philish
in some ways.

Gwen

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:



It's a special kind of cruelty, but it's cruelty nonetheless.



Now this sounds like something Dr. Phil would say.

And I am not implying it isn't true, just very Philish
in some ways.

Gwen

"LeeCharlesKelley" wrote:
And still no recognition of your error? Remember? You and others said
that Nikki's problems relating to Roscoe had to do with missing out on her
critical socialization period. *I* said it was probably just that she
didn't like Roscoe's "energy". Not even the merest glimmer of a "he was
right and I was wrong" here? I've always copped to *my* mistakes. A
little quid pro quo? A tiny one?

There's no error. With proper socialization, Rosco's "energy" may not have
been frightening to her, because she would have seen other "energetic" dogs.

If your "theory" was true, then there would be no such thing as an
undersocialized dog. If all dogs were socialized to other dogs just from being
in a litter, then no dog would fear another. There would be no such thing as
dog-dog fear aggression.

How do you account for all those dogs out there who are fear aggressive towards
other dogs?

On second thought, don't answer that. It will be another wild, baseless
theory, and I've heard quite enough of them already.

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"LeeCharlesKelley" wrote:
And still no recognition of your error? Remember? You and others said
that Nikki's problems relating to Roscoe had to do with missing out on her
critical socialization period. *I* said it was probably just that she
didn't like Roscoe's "energy". Not even the merest glimmer of a "he was
right and I was wrong" here? I've always copped to *my* mistakes. A
little quid pro quo? A tiny one?

There's no error. With proper socialization, Rosco's "energy" may not have
been frightening to her, because she would have seen other "energetic" dogs.

If your "theory" was true, then there would be no such thing as an
undersocialized dog. If all dogs were socialized to other dogs just from being
in a litter, then no dog would fear another. There would be no such thing as
dog-dog fear aggression.

How do you account for all those dogs out there who are fear aggressive towards
other dogs?

On second thought, don't answer that. It will be another wild, baseless
theory, and I've heard quite enough of them already.

Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html

"LeeCharlesKelley" wrote:
And still no recognition of your error? Remember? You and others said
that Nikki's problems relating to Roscoe had to do with missing out on her
critical socialization period. *I* said it was probably just that she
didn't like Roscoe's "energy". Not even the merest glimmer of a "he was
right and I was wrong" here? I've always copped to *my* mistakes. A
little quid pro quo? A tiny one?

There's no error. With proper socialization, Rosco's "energy" may not have
been frightening to her, because she would have seen other "energetic" dogs.

If your "theory" was true, then there would be no such thing as an
undersocialized dog. If all dogs were socialized to other dogs just from being
in a litter, then no dog would fear another. There would be no such thing as
dog-dog fear aggression.

How do you account for all those dogs out there who are fear aggressive towards
other dogs?

On second thought, don't answer that. It will be another wild, baseless
theory, and I've heard quite enough of them already.

Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html

"LeeCharlesKelley" wrote:
And still no recognition of your error? Remember? You and others said
that Nikki's problems relating to Roscoe had to do with missing out on her
critical socialization period. *I* said it was probably just that she
didn't like Roscoe's "energy". Not even the merest glimmer of a "he was
right and I was wrong" here? I've always copped to *my* mistakes. A
little quid pro quo? A tiny one?

There's no error. With proper socialization, Rosco's "energy" may not have
been frightening to her, because she would have seen other "energetic" dogs.

If your "theory" was true, then there would be no such thing as an
undersocialized dog. If all dogs were socialized to other dogs just from being
in a litter, then no dog would fear another. There would be no such thing as
dog-dog fear aggression.

How do you account for all those dogs out there who are fear aggressive towards
other dogs?

On second thought, don't answer that. It will be another wild, baseless
theory, and I've heard quite enough of them already.

Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html

Handsome Jack Morrison lid wrote:

How do you account for all those dogs out there who are fear aggressive
towards
other dogs?

Don't go too far, Leah. A dog's *genes* could account for that, too.
So could improper handling, etc. Heck, a *single* bad encounter with
another dog could account for it, especially if it happens early on.

True, there could be other reasons. But every fear aggressive dog that I've
worked with have been socialization issues. I've yet to see one not improve to
some degree with "open bar" classical conditioning (dog appears, treats appear,
praise happens).

Not that I've had a lot of experience with this - maybe 10 dogs altogether.
And only the "mild" cases - i.e., I would refer out a biter or a dog who
couldn't be distracted.

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