Did anyone else catch the last caller to today's Car Talk with Tom and
Ray Magliozzi? She'd bought a bark buster franchise for in-home dog
training and wanted help choosing the right vehicle for advertising,
hauling around equipment plus a space for her own Golden. I know
nothing about the franchise (googled and found this:
http://www.barkbusters.com/Tips_Hints.htm) but wanted to giggle when she
was talking about the technique on the show. She said it wasn't about
reward or punishment, just communicating with your dog.


--Lia

Julia Altshuler wrote:

Did anyone else catch the last caller to today's Car Talk with Tom and
Ray Magliozzi? She'd bought a bark buster franchise for in-home dog
training and wanted help choosing the right vehicle for advertising,
hauling around equipment plus a space for her own Golden. I know
nothing about the franchise (googled and found this:
http://www.barkbusters.com/Tips_Hints.htm) but wanted to giggle when she
was talking about the technique on the show. She said it wasn't about
reward or punishment, just communicating with your dog.

I heard that one! Funny thing was I was getting ready to leave the house
to go teach a puppy lesson. I missed the part where it was a franchise
(shudder). Thanks for the link. I think I'll check it out and see if the
franchise aspect is perhaps not as bad as I'm thinking.

Tara

Julia Altshuler wrote:

Did anyone else catch the last caller to today's Car Talk with Tom and
Ray Magliozzi? She'd bought a bark buster franchise for in-home dog
training and wanted help choosing the right vehicle for advertising,
hauling around equipment plus a space for her own Golden. I know
nothing about the franchise (googled and found this:
http://www.barkbusters.com/Tips_Hints.htm) but wanted to giggle when she
was talking about the technique on the show. She said it wasn't about
reward or punishment, just communicating with your dog.

I heard that one! Funny thing was I was getting ready to leave the house
to go teach a puppy lesson. I missed the part where it was a franchise
(shudder). Thanks for the link. I think I'll check it out and see if the
franchise aspect is perhaps not as bad as I'm thinking.

Tara

Tara wrote:

Thanks for the link. I think I'll check it out and see if the
franchise aspect is perhaps not as bad as I'm thinking.

From the site:

TIPS ON CURING NUISANCE BARKING

When you are home and your dog is
outside barking, firstly go out and
reprimand, yell 'BAD'. The reason you use
the word we have suggested is so the
dog will learn these words are directed at
it, not at whatever it is barking at.

The reason for yelling this is that you will
need to be louder than the noise the dog
is making.


Barf-amundo.

And I remember the woman on the radio saying that it *wasn't* a
correction based method as those tend to undermine the relationship
between owner and dog. WHat the heck does she think *that* is?


Tara

Tara wrote:

Thanks for the link. I think I'll check it out and see if the
franchise aspect is perhaps not as bad as I'm thinking.

From the site:

TIPS ON CURING NUISANCE BARKING

When you are home and your dog is
outside barking, firstly go out and
reprimand, yell 'BAD'. The reason you use
the word we have suggested is so the
dog will learn these words are directed at
it, not at whatever it is barking at.

The reason for yelling this is that you will
need to be louder than the noise the dog
is making.


Barf-amundo.

And I remember the woman on the radio saying that it *wasn't* a
correction based method as those tend to undermine the relationship
between owner and dog. WHat the heck does she think *that* is?


Tara

"Tara" wrote in message
...
Tara wrote:

Thanks for the link. I think I'll check it out and see if the
franchise aspect is perhaps not as bad as I'm thinking.

From the site:

TIPS ON CURING NUISANCE BARKING

When you are home and your dog is
outside barking, firstly go out and
reprimand, yell 'BAD'. The reason you use
the word we have suggested is so the
dog will learn these words are directed at
it, not at whatever it is barking at.

The reason for yelling this is that you will
need to be louder than the noise the dog
is making.


Barf-amundo.

And I remember the woman on the radio saying that it *wasn't* a
correction based method

Its not, its a reprimand-based method. There's a difference, just ask a
bunch of people

as those tend to undermine the relationship
between owner and dog. WHat the heck does she think *that* is?

I'm guessing the same is happening as with Lucy in the other thread. For
alot of people:

1. punishment = physical hitting

2. correction = physical hitting or locking dog in small cage and leaving
them for 3 weeks til you decide to let them out again (us crate-utilizers
are really nasty folks).

3. verbal communication = (to the best of my knowledge) communication. Its
not a form of punishment or correction because its *verbal* ahem.

If its still a little hazy, think of all the self-proclaimed PP folks who
are like religious fanatics with all things not PP yet you constantly see
them doing little things that certainly aren't positive. My favorites are
quick tugs on the leash and NO Fluffy! Can't figure out if those things
don't count or if its only ok because there were no other PP people around
to see/hear the broken commandment.

HTH!

--
Tara (the other one)

"Tara" wrote in message
...
Tara wrote:

Thanks for the link. I think I'll check it out and see if the
franchise aspect is perhaps not as bad as I'm thinking.

From the site:

TIPS ON CURING NUISANCE BARKING

When you are home and your dog is
outside barking, firstly go out and
reprimand, yell 'BAD'. The reason you use
the word we have suggested is so the
dog will learn these words are directed at
it, not at whatever it is barking at.

The reason for yelling this is that you will
need to be louder than the noise the dog
is making.


Barf-amundo.

And I remember the woman on the radio saying that it *wasn't* a
correction based method

Its not, its a reprimand-based method. There's a difference, just ask a
bunch of people

as those tend to undermine the relationship
between owner and dog. WHat the heck does she think *that* is?

I'm guessing the same is happening as with Lucy in the other thread. For
alot of people:

1. punishment = physical hitting

2. correction = physical hitting or locking dog in small cage and leaving
them for 3 weeks til you decide to let them out again (us crate-utilizers
are really nasty folks).

3. verbal communication = (to the best of my knowledge) communication. Its
not a form of punishment or correction because its *verbal* ahem.

If its still a little hazy, think of all the self-proclaimed PP folks who
are like religious fanatics with all things not PP yet you constantly see
them doing little things that certainly aren't positive. My favorites are
quick tugs on the leash and NO Fluffy! Can't figure out if those things
don't count or if its only ok because there were no other PP people around
to see/hear the broken commandment.

HTH!

--
Tara (the other one)

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:49:03 -0400, "Tee"
wrote:

2. correction = physical hitting or locking dog in small cage and leaving
them for 3 weeks til you decide to let them out again (us crate-utilizers
are really nasty folks).

I took my dogs to board for the weekend because I am having a bunch of
work done that they would not be able to be in the middle of but would
not want to stand by and stay out of the middle of either. The place
is run by trainers who board in order to afford all the equipment for
training. Anyway, they were telling me about a recent conversation on
the phone with a guy who has a lab. The lab chewed up some electrical
wiring so the guy wanted to get rid of it (they do some rescue as
well). They offered to help him train the dog. That wasn't going to
work because he couldn't be trained overnight and would destroy
something else in the meantime. They told him about crating when the
dog couldn't be supervised until trained enough to be trustworthy.
That was CRUEL!! He would never cage a dog. So, instead, he most
likely will end up taking the dog to a shelter.

--
Paula
"I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" ---Mimi

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:49:03 -0400, "Tee"
wrote:

2. correction = physical hitting or locking dog in small cage and leaving
them for 3 weeks til you decide to let them out again (us crate-utilizers
are really nasty folks).

I took my dogs to board for the weekend because I am having a bunch of
work done that they would not be able to be in the middle of but would
not want to stand by and stay out of the middle of either. The place
is run by trainers who board in order to afford all the equipment for
training. Anyway, they were telling me about a recent conversation on
the phone with a guy who has a lab. The lab chewed up some electrical
wiring so the guy wanted to get rid of it (they do some rescue as
well). They offered to help him train the dog. That wasn't going to
work because he couldn't be trained overnight and would destroy
something else in the meantime. They told him about crating when the
dog couldn't be supervised until trained enough to be trustworthy.
That was CRUEL!! He would never cage a dog. So, instead, he most
likely will end up taking the dog to a shelter.

--
Paula
"I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" ---Mimi

"Paula" wrote in message
...

I took my dogs to board for the weekend because I am having a bunch of
work done that they would not be able to be in the middle of but would
not want to stand by and stay out of the middle of either. The place
is run by trainers who board in order to afford all the equipment for
training. Anyway, they were telling me about a recent conversation on
the phone with a guy who has a lab. The lab chewed up some electrical
wiring so the guy wanted to get rid of it (they do some rescue as
well). They offered to help him train the dog. That wasn't going to
work because he couldn't be trained overnight and would destroy
something else in the meantime. They told him about crating when the
dog couldn't be supervised until trained enough to be trustworthy.
That was CRUEL!! He would never cage a dog. So, instead, he most
likely will end up taking the dog to a shelter.

I'm not at all surprised. When I ran the rescue I was with I'd spend alot
of time trying to help people with their Boxer problems to avoid having them
rehome the dog. Alot of people only asked for help to make it look like
they tried but there were a few who were genuinely trying to keep the dog &
the peace so I kept doing it. I can't even count how many times I was told
that crating is cruel, mean, abusive.

I had people who begged me to take their dog into the program but then
refused to let me have the dog after learning that all dogs in my program
were crate-trained in foster care and then proceeding to pass judgement on
my methods. So that very special dog who was too good to be crate trained
ended up at the shelter where I either got him anyway or he was put down.
Funny thing is that in almost every one of those cases the reason for
surrender was due to destruction when left unattended.

This goes the other way too in that I had many approved applicants back out
of an adoption upon learning we expected them to keep crating the dog (they
purposely chose a young dog btw). For one thing, most Boxers under the age
of 3 just can't be trusted alone at all. For another, the breed (I'm
purposely generalizing) *really* takes to and enjoys having a crate of their
own. Not sure if they have a higher denning instinct or what but many crate
trained Boxers will go batty if you take their crates away from them. When
asked if they really didn't value their home looking nice and everything in
its place or coming home to a trainwreck after work I got the "I'm not
dealing with someone with your attitude! I'll go to such & such rescue
instead."

I bet I could convince people to use shock collars alot faster than I an
convince them to crate train their adolescent destructo dogs.

--
Tara