In article ,
(Marshall Dermer) wrote:

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)


I'm sure you'll continue to move in the right direction to get Max
through his stone & PH problems, and I appreciate the updates. Our crew
sends their best to Max & you.

In article montana writes:
In article ,
(Marshall Dermer) wrote:

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)


I'm sure you'll continue to move in the right direction to get Max
through his stone & PH problems, and I appreciate the updates. Our crew
sends their best to Max & you.

Thanks again for your interest and support!

--Marshall

In article montana writes:
In article ,
(Marshall Dermer) wrote:

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)


I'm sure you'll continue to move in the right direction to get Max
through his stone & PH problems, and I appreciate the updates. Our crew
sends their best to Max & you.

Thanks again for your interest and support!

--Marshall

(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message ...

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)

LOL, Heck that's about the right time of day to get started. At least
for me, I'm usually in the office about 5:30 - 6:00 AM. I find I can
get's lots of work done before the 8:00 AM rush. Of course that also
means it cookies and milk for me at 9PM each night. :-))

(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message ...

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)

LOL, Heck that's about the right time of day to get started. At least
for me, I'm usually in the office about 5:30 - 6:00 AM. I find I can
get's lots of work done before the 8:00 AM rush. Of course that also
means it cookies and milk for me at 9PM each night. :-))

In article (Steve Crane) writes:
(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message ...

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)

LOL, Heck that's about the right time of day to get started. At least
for me, I'm usually in the office about 5:30 - 6:00 AM. I find I can
get's lots of work done before the 8:00 AM rush. Of course that also
means it cookies and milk for me at 9PM each night. :-))

I understand!

Actually, though I wake up at 5 AM I return to sleeping at 6 AM!

As for Max "get this":

His veterinarian was concerned that the marked struvite crystals
in Max's urine were indicative of uroliths.

The veterinary nutritioninst, DVM, PhD, however, apparently is not concerned
with the struvite crystals. Here is what she wrote:

Mr. Dermer -

I think you are placing too much emphasis on the urine pH and presents of
non-oxalate crystals. There will always be crystals in the urine - that's
how the body gets rid of excess minerals, and struvite crystals are NOT the
dog's problem. One should expect to see struvite crystals in a high pH. The
most important information is that there were no oxalate and that is
success.

Yes, the urine pH will be highest in the AM and lowest after dosing with
potassium citrate - but you will never get it to be a constant pH throughout
the day. Urine pH normally fluctuate through the day and before/after meals,
so it will never be constant. A pH of 8 is good in preventing Ca Oxalate
stones.

The dog's hydration state is not measured by the presence or absence of
crystals but by the spec gravity of the urine. I cannot read it accurately
on the faxed sheets but if the specific gravity was less than 1.040 the dog
is probably well hydrated. If not, you can add water to the HM diet.

R Remillard


Perplexed in Milwaukee!

--Marshall

In article (Steve Crane) writes:
(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message ...

This is all good news for Max whom I love. The bad news is that
though I walk him well at 11 PM; he is now eager to be walked
at 5 AM! :-)

LOL, Heck that's about the right time of day to get started. At least
for me, I'm usually in the office about 5:30 - 6:00 AM. I find I can
get's lots of work done before the 8:00 AM rush. Of course that also
means it cookies and milk for me at 9PM each night. :-))

I understand!

Actually, though I wake up at 5 AM I return to sleeping at 6 AM!

As for Max "get this":

His veterinarian was concerned that the marked struvite crystals
in Max's urine were indicative of uroliths.

The veterinary nutritioninst, DVM, PhD, however, apparently is not concerned
with the struvite crystals. Here is what she wrote:

Mr. Dermer -

I think you are placing too much emphasis on the urine pH and presents of
non-oxalate crystals. There will always be crystals in the urine - that's
how the body gets rid of excess minerals, and struvite crystals are NOT the
dog's problem. One should expect to see struvite crystals in a high pH. The
most important information is that there were no oxalate and that is
success.

Yes, the urine pH will be highest in the AM and lowest after dosing with
potassium citrate - but you will never get it to be a constant pH throughout
the day. Urine pH normally fluctuate through the day and before/after meals,
so it will never be constant. A pH of 8 is good in preventing Ca Oxalate
stones.

The dog's hydration state is not measured by the presence or absence of
crystals but by the spec gravity of the urine. I cannot read it accurately
on the faxed sheets but if the specific gravity was less than 1.040 the dog
is probably well hydrated. If not, you can add water to the HM diet.

R Remillard


Perplexed in Milwaukee!

--Marshall

In article (Marshall Dermer)
writes:
As for Max "get this":

His veterinarian was concerned that the marked struvite crystals
in Max's urine were indicative of uroliths.

The veterinary nutritioninst, DVM, PhD, however, apparently is not concerned
with the struvite crystals.

Just got another note from Dr. Remillard. She reports that most
dogs rarely form more than one kind of urolith but all will
form some crystals of one kind or another. Apparently,
she thinks that all is going well. (She also noted that increased
levels of struvite crystals would be expected with the higher
urine PH.)

I'll discuss this with Max's vet.

--Marshall

In article (Marshall Dermer)
writes:
As for Max "get this":

His veterinarian was concerned that the marked struvite crystals
in Max's urine were indicative of uroliths.

The veterinary nutritioninst, DVM, PhD, however, apparently is not concerned
with the struvite crystals.

Just got another note from Dr. Remillard. She reports that most
dogs rarely form more than one kind of urolith but all will
form some crystals of one kind or another. Apparently,
she thinks that all is going well. (She also noted that increased
levels of struvite crystals would be expected with the higher
urine PH.)

I'll discuss this with Max's vet.

--Marshall

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
I think you are placing too much emphasis on the urine pH and presents of
non-oxalate crystals. There will always be crystals in the urine - that's
how the body gets rid of excess minerals, and struvite crystals are NOT
the
dog's problem. One should expect to see struvite crystals in a high pH.
The
most important information is that there were no oxalate and that is
success.

Yes, the urine pH will be highest in the AM and lowest after dosing with
potassium citrate - but you will never get it to be a constant pH
throughout
the day. Urine pH normally fluctuate through the day and before/after
meals,
so it will never be constant. A pH of 8 is good in preventing Ca Oxalate
stones.

The dog's hydration state is not measured by the presence or absence of
crystals but by the spec gravity of the urine. I cannot read it
accurately
on the faxed sheets but if the specific gravity was less than 1.040 the
dog
is probably well hydrated. If not, you can add water to the HM diet.

http://courses.vetmed.wsu.edu/vm552/...htm#Urinalysis

Makes sense to me.

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