Bichon Freise

#11 (**permalink**) July 9th 04, 08:52 AM

"St. George" St. wrote in message
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Dear Just Molly,

Further to last evening's reply.

Yes, we have read books, Yes he has mated successfully.
We were not thinking of mating him for massive profits.
However for people who are on a low budget, who could not afford or even
care about champion breeds, would like a Bichon then maybe, just maybe,
our
dog could provide an answer.
Also there is nature to consider, think of the pleasure that both male and
female Bichons could have.
Or maybe you wouldn't appreciate this point.

It appears that your outlook on life, both human and canine, could be
different to the majority.

Hap, Hap, Happpppppppppy Everythings.

Len, Weston-SUPER-Mare.

Len
It often happens that people who love their dogs, seek to make more just
like them. Sadly, that is why there "are" so many unwanted dogs in the world
today.
The vast majority - good pedigree or not, should not be used to produce the
next generation of their breed.
Has this dog been actively shown to see if indeed he is possibly near
breed-worthy?
Have you had him genetically tested for the known genetic problems within
his breed? Just because he appears healthy, doesn't mean he is not hiding
something very nasty which will be passed on to his offspring. This does not
mean a quick trip to the vet who deems him healthy. Without specific testing
you will never know.
What about his breeder? Are they responsible? Do they show and test all
their stock before breeding? Would they be willing to give you responsible
and solid advice on how to go about showing etc. and if he proves worthy,
educate you in the breeding process and what it does and should involve?
Obviously you won't make massive profits. Even those who breed responsibly
seldom make a massive or even small, profit at all.
It's also not a matter of producing "champion breeds" as you call it, but
deciding whether or not you just want to add to the puppy population or do
it correctly and responsibly and do it right.
If you are considering offering him to those on a low budget, consider this.
It takes money to raise a litter properly. What happens to the bitch and the
puppies if they run out of money when she needs a C section or the puppies
all become ill. What if they don't get a good start in life and she dumps
them as quickly as possible from ads in the newspaper to first come - first
served. They will be picked up by those who will probably think of using
them as breeding machines. YOUR dog's puppies!! Your responsibility.
Will you just breed your dog to anything which happens by? What if the bitch
is a very poor example of the breed? Those puppies will be registered with
YOUR dog listed and you can be sure, when knowledgeable people see your dog
as the sire, they won't forget him or you!
Are you knowledgeable enough in the breed to spot major or minor faults she
might have and be honest enough to tell her that your dog, having the same
faults, shouldn't be considered as a sire for her litter?
Are you set up to keep bitches in Season when they come to stay with you?
Do you have very secure kennel facilites so none escape? Bitches will
usually make escape their No. 1 thought when in a strange place.
Are you heavily insured so that if something happens to a bitch in your
care, you are covered financially?
Do you have very knowledgeable help on hand to oversee the actual breeding?
Many a dog and bitch have come to great harm when the breeding was not
overseen carefully.
Taking in just any bitch, your dog also has the possibility of picking up
something nasty during the breeding. Are you willing to risk the health of
your dog?
Unless your dog has made some kind of a good name as being of quality, in
the show ring, your possibility of getting good bitches to breed to him is
close to nil. Most, will be poor quality bitches who have been turned away
by knowledgeable folk.
Unless you become involved enough in the breed to do it properly, the most
you can hope for is to provide the stud dog for very mediocre or poor
litters.
Is that what you "really" want? I doubt it.
If your thought is to breed puppies so that the general public, not very
well off financially, can have one of your breed, please know that because
of irresponsible breeder, there are many available in your breed's rescue
groups already. If they want one that badly, that is the place to send them.
There is absolutely no need - in any breed these days, to be producing "just
pets". Our pounds, shelters and rescues are full of animals which were bred
just as pets but strangely enough, nobody wanted those pets and those who
thought they did, ended up dumping them for various reasons.
I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but your knowledge is lacking at
the moment.
Give all this some very serious thought before jumping in.
Apart from all the reasons I give above, your boy will be much healthier and
probably live a happier and longer life, if he is neutered. You will also
have the satisfaction of knowing that you have "not" added to the problem of
irresponsible breeding in your breed.
After he is neutered, if you still find interest in the breed and wish to
become involved, why not start a Bichon rescue in WSM?
EGD

#12 (**permalink**) July 9th 04, 11:27 AM

"dejablues" wrote in message
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"St. George" St. wrote in message
...
Dear Just Molly,

Further to last evening's reply.

Yes, we have read books, Yes he has mated successfully.
We were not thinking of mating him for massive profits.
However for people who are on a low budget, who could not afford or even
care about champion breeds, would like a Bichon then maybe, just maybe,
our
dog could provide an answer.
Also there is nature to consider, think of the pleasure that both male
and
female Bichons could have.
Or maybe you wouldn't appreciate this point.
The thing is, that any of these poor peoples bitches you used your dog on
might have health or hereditary problems. They being poor would not be able
to afford the barrage of vet tests necessary before breeding. Add to that
the very considerable cost of feeding and worming the bitch during pregnancy
and then feeding the litter of puppies which in my own experience is
something like Â£90 per pup for 8 weeks, and then the costs of KC registering
and advertising.
Poor people cannot *afford* to breed. A champion or show winning stud dog
won't cost much at all to use. During the whole of the time I was showing
and breeding I never owned a stud dog.

It appears that your outlook on life, both human and canine, could be
different to the majority.
I don't think it is. Well certainly not among the more concientious dog
owners who don't think i monetary terms or think that owning a dog is a
'right'.

Dogs don't think like humans. Mating for them is not about pleasure, but
about following their biological urges. Please have your boy neutered, he
will be much happier, and you will not have as many behavior problems to
deal with. There are already enough unwanted dogs in the world.
All my male dogs are indeed neutered. Most of my bitches are too.

Bichons are very long-lived little dogs, if you want your boy to be
healthy
and happy for the next 15 years, have him neutered!
No chance of testicular cancer either.

#13 (**permalink**) July 9th 04, 07:29 PM

"St. George" St. wrote in message ...
Hi,

New to this Newsgroup.

We have recently inherited a two year old male BichonFreise.

We would like to know more about the breed - behaviour, habits, illnesses
etc.

We would also be interested in mating him - excellent pedigree.
Location West Country UK

I am a Bichon Frise rescuer in the US. I rehome 40 a year and I am
only one rescuer. Hundreds of these dogs come into rescue and the
number one reason is because they are horrendous to housebreak. The
second reason is they are so demanding of your time. Third reason is
the maintenance involved with this breed. People on low budgets
really should get a low budget dog.

There are Bichon rescue groups in the UK. I know some and recommend
them highly. Instead of breeding, refer people to Bichon rescue.

http://www.bichonfriserescue.co.uk/

Lynn Ramich
www.lilyshope.org
www.bichon.org
www.bichonrescue.org
www.bichonfriseusa.com

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