From Dictionary.com:
Animal: An animal organism OTHER THAN A HUMAN especially a mammal.

Thank all of you for your comments as to insight of why we would want a dog.
I was simply gonna remove myself from the newsgroup. But, since your all so
free-giving with advice completley unrelated to my question, then I might as
well give YOU some advice completely unrelated.
You people scare me. I love animals, all animals, but you people have
blurred the line between dogs/pets and humans. There is love for all
creatures and being responsible for them. Then, there is un-natural
affections for animals and attempts to substitute pets for human affection.
I find your haughty words and questions scary and sad. Scary that you do
not recoginzie our positions as humans is to take care of animals, NOT be
the animals. Sad that there are educated people such as yourselves and
instead of using it to good the world, your using your energies and time in
trying to convince the world that we are equal to animals. God is ashamed
that you've tried to put yourself on the level of an animal, albeit a
wonderful animal. An animal that breeds in public places, licks itself then
kisses you on the mouth, eats at your table, and has no sense of shame.
Finally, I hope that you may learn some manners. All 3 responses to my
letter were condescending and prying. Very few were even remotely
constructive.
So, tonite as you lay in your family room with your dogs that have just
licked their balls, I hope for children's sake that you at least remove the
kids. So, the kids may one day know the place of animals. That they will
find true love and companionship in humans, not desperatly resort to some
other species.
I love dogs and animals, but what's more is:
I LOVE being human and I'm not ashamed that I don't lick my balls in public.

Durnit, I was tryin to be nice about it, but as I read back over this, what
I really wanna say is:
YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE IDIOTS AND INSANE!!! GET SOME HELP BEFORE IT"S TOO
LATE AND YOU WAKE UP WITH A DOG BISCUIT IN YOUR MOUTH YOUR KIDS ARE GONE
AND THE GERMAN SHEPARD IS ANGRY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN"T MADE HIM BREAKFAST AND
BROUGHT HIM THE MORNING PAPER. *your significant other is long gone cause
he/she can't and shouldn't compete with an ANIMAL. ANIMAL...ANIMALLL

Anyone recognize this yo-yo? Has he ever contributed anything here,
or d'ya think he's just found a convenient place to vent some rage?

Dianne


In article , Mark wrote:
From Dictionary.com:
Animal: An animal organism OTHER THAN A HUMAN especially a mammal.

Thank all of you for your comments as to insight of why we would want a dog.
I was simply gonna remove myself from the newsgroup. But, since your all so
free-giving with advice completley unrelated to my question, then I might as
well give YOU some advice completely unrelated.
You people scare me. I love animals, all animals, but you people have
blurred the line between dogs/pets and humans. There is love for all
creatures and being responsible for them. Then, there is un-natural
affections for animals and attempts to substitute pets for human affection.
I find your haughty words and questions scary and sad. Scary that you do
not recoginzie our positions as humans is to take care of animals, NOT be
the animals. Sad that there are educated people such as yourselves and
instead of using it to good the world, your using your energies and time in
trying to convince the world that we are equal to animals. God is ashamed
that you've tried to put yourself on the level of an animal, albeit a
wonderful animal. An animal that breeds in public places, licks itself then
kisses you on the mouth, eats at your table, and has no sense of shame.
Finally, I hope that you may learn some manners. All 3 responses to my
letter were condescending and prying. Very few were even remotely
constructive.
So, tonite as you lay in your family room with your dogs that have just
licked their balls, I hope for children's sake that you at least remove the
kids. So, the kids may one day know the place of animals. That they will
find true love and companionship in humans, not desperatly resort to some
other species.
I love dogs and animals, but what's more is:
I LOVE being human and I'm not ashamed that I don't lick my balls in public.

Durnit, I was tryin to be nice about it, but as I read back over this, what
I really wanna say is:
YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE IDIOTS AND INSANE!!! GET SOME HELP BEFORE IT"S TOO
LATE AND YOU WAKE UP WITH A DOG BISCUIT IN YOUR MOUTH YOUR KIDS ARE GONE
AND THE GERMAN SHEPARD IS ANGRY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN"T MADE HIM BREAKFAST AND
BROUGHT HIM THE MORNING PAPER. *your significant other is long gone cause
he/she can't and shouldn't compete with an ANIMAL. ANIMAL...ANIMALLL

"diannes" wrote in message
...
Anyone recognize this yo-yo? Has he ever contributed anything here,
or d'ya think he's just found a convenient place to vent some rage?

Dianne

Yeah, he's a freak. He posted a "find me a breed" question that basically
gave a list of other dogs he's gone through and asked what kind of dog can
he stash in the yard that will be a great family pet. He didn't like the
replies. Funny how many times he mentioned licking balls in his latter
post - I think somebody's jealous...

Christy

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:05:43 GMT Christy whittled these words:

"diannes" wrote in message
...
Anyone recognize this yo-yo? Has he ever contributed anything here,
or d'ya think he's just found a convenient place to vent some rage?

Yeah, he's a freak. He posted a "find me a breed" question that basically
gave a list of other dogs he's gone through and asked what kind of dog can
he stash in the yard that will be a great family pet. He didn't like the
replies. Funny how many times he mentioned licking balls in his latter
post - I think somebody's jealous...

With his temper problems dogs and everyone else are best off out of that
house. And I pegged it right on - he likes the idea of a dog much better
than actually having one. Boy is he ever freaked out by normal dog stuff.


--
Diane Blackman
http://dog-play.com/
http://dogplay.com/Shop/

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:39:57 GMT, (diannes)
wrote:

Anyone recognize this yo-yo? Has he ever contributed anything here,
or d'ya think he's just found a convenient place to vent some rage?

Dianne

He posted asking about finding a suitable outdoor family dog and got a
lot of criticism for wanting a pet but also wanting to leave it
outside. He also got, what I felt, was some good honest advice and
maybe the anger comes from seeing a little of himself in the process.

If it's any consolation, Mark, I had a similar response in
rec.pets.dogs trying to sell my weim pups. You'd think those people
invented dogs the way they blasted me for being a "backyard breeder."
At the same time, someone claiming to get a dog from a "professional
breeder" is blasted for supporting a puppy mill. I could easily have
reacted like you did, Mark, I almost did. I chose to just walk away.
It saves the sanity. We all love our pets, I have a cat that I've
treated so much like a baby, he cries when I leave the room. I've
lived around dogs all my life, but that doesn't make me an expert and
I would never say I was. I think most of the people in the animal
newsgroups are animal lovers like you and me, but I also think there
are several readers that truly are experts in raising, training, and
care and can offer some useful advice. Newsgroups are the best place
for crackpots that like to insult people while hiding behind a
keyboard. Weed through the bad posts and take the advice where you
can get it.
pepsi

Sad that there are educated people such as yourselves and
instead of using it to good the world, your using your energies and time
in
trying to convince the world that we are equal to animals.

I never did that. Animals are WAY WAY above me.


An animal that breeds in public places, licks itself then
kisses you on the mouth, eats at your table, and has no sense of shame.

Comeon.... you would love to be able to lick your self....

My dog can't actually reach his balls. so all i have to make sure is that he
doesnt eat kittle litter treats before he kisses me.


Finally, I hope that you may learn some manners.

I do obedience 2 days a week. I can sit/stay for 3 mins now!

All 3 responses to my
letter were condescending and prying. Very few were even remotely
constructive.

Who ever was going to write something constructive just changed their minds
after reading this post (myself included, I had one typed up but hadnt sent
it)

So, tonite as you lay in your family room with your dogs that have just
licked their balls, (OR eaten Cat litter or a dead bird or rat or their
own poop)


I hope for children's sake that you at least remove the
kids.

I dont have children.

That they will
find true love and companionship in humans, not desperatly resort to some
other species.

So what, the human can cheat on them, steal from them. beat them, talk them
into doing **** like drugs and drinking, hurt them and leave them?

Its ok.. I am happy with my dog and cat (i REALLY want to get a pig too,
anyone know any good sites on pigs?)

I love dogs and animals, but what's more is:
I LOVE being human and I'm not ashamed that I don't lick my balls in
public.

Yeah you are.......

I really wanna say is:
YOU PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE IDIOTS AND INSANE!!! GET SOME HELP BEFORE IT"S TOO
LATE AND YOU WAKE UP WITH A DOG BISCUIT IN YOUR MOUTH

Have you tried a dog biscuit? My brother used to work at Friskys and so does
one of my obedience instructors, they always eat the biscuits. Very nice

YOUR KIDS ARE GONE
AND THE GERMAN SHEPARD IS ANGRY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN"T MADE HIM BREAKFAST AND
BROUGHT HIM THE MORNING PAPER.

I dont have a GSD? And... umm... just incase you dont know..... dogs can't
read....

*your significant other is long gone cause
he/she can't and shouldn't compete with an ANIMAL. ANIMAL...ANIMALLL

Thats why I am single. Men make much more mess then my pets anyday!

I am off to pack my car for a demo I have tomorrow with my ANIMAL. ANIMAL...
ANIMALLL

(may even let him sit in the front seat)

Cin

said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

You'd think those people
invented dogs the way they blasted me for being a "backyard
breeder." At the same time, someone claiming to get a dog
from a "professional breeder" is blasted for supporting a
puppy mill.

What's your definition of "professional breeder", then? The
generally-accepted definition has been explained here often.

Newsgroups are the best place for crackpots that like to
insult people while hiding behind a keyboard.

Most of the regulars here are involved in some facet of saving
the abandoned dogs created by BYBs and professional breeders and
would probably give the same advice face-to-face. Much of the
advice is blunt. The good thing is that, for every Mark, there
are many more readers who are willing to learn.

Weed through
the bad posts and take the advice where you can get it.

IOW, take only the advice you want and ignore the rest, no
matter how it affects the dogs. While you're at it, ignore the
fact that this newsgroup is about dogs and dog welfare.

I've been on these groups a long time and I'm still surprised to
see how many people see dogs only as a commodity.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

On 25 Jan 2005 06:54:00 GMT, Rocky wrote:

said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

You'd think those people
invented dogs the way they blasted me for being a "backyard
breeder." At the same time, someone claiming to get a dog
from a "professional breeder" is blasted for supporting a
puppy mill.

What's your definition of "professional breeder", then? The
generally-accepted definition has been explained here often.

What's your name for the right breeder? One that does it for a living
but doesn't do inbreeding and what you would associated a puppy mill
with? I think where the hangup is, is with the use of the word
"professional."

Newsgroups are the best place for crackpots that like to
insult people while hiding behind a keyboard.

Most of the regulars here are involved in some facet of saving
the abandoned dogs created by BYBs and professional breeders and
would probably give the same advice face-to-face. Much of the
advice is blunt. The good thing is that, for every Mark, there
are many more readers who are willing to learn.

Weed through
the bad posts and take the advice where you can get it.

IOW, take only the advice you want and ignore the rest, no
matter how it affects the dogs. While you're at it, ignore the
fact that this newsgroup is about dogs and dog welfare.

I've been on these groups a long time and I'm still surprised to
see how many people see dogs only as a commodity.

Well, you have already ignored the part of my post that said I was
talking about another newsgroup. And, like it or not, animals are
still considered property, not child dependents. I don't know where
you got the idea I was on Mark's side, I'd rather consider myself
riding the fence. I love animals, all animals. I brake for squirrels
and birds. I can also see that people want dogs for different reasons
and one doesn't necessarily make the other wrong.
pepsi

wrote:
What's your name for the right breeder?

Hobbyist. Or fancier.

One that does it for a living
but doesn't do inbreeding and what you would associated a puppy mill
with? I think where the hangup is, is with the use of the word
"professional."

No, the hangup is the idea that "does it for a living" is compatible
with the best interests of the dogs. When a conflict arises between
what's best for the dog and what's necessary for financial survival,
creditors complain louder than dogs.

FWIW, inbreeding alone is not a sign of a puppymill or BYB or "bad" breeder.

In my own breed, I associate "right breeder" with someone who has
registered dogs (makes researching pedigree and backgrounds easier) with
a reputable registry, who does some kind of activity with those dogs
(and usually two or more activities), who health tests (eyes, ears,
hips, elbows), who uses the researchable health data bases that are
available for *all* their dogs (not just the best ones), and who use
incentives to encourage even "pet" owners to have health tests done and
recorded. I also associate "right breeder" with someone who proudly
names and refers often to their mentor, who has pleasant relations with
other breeders, and who will mentor or help others that want to learn
more about the breed.

I'm looking for someone who knows where their puppies are and how
they're doing, even if a decade or more has passed. Someone who has a
very strong idea of what's ideal (form, temperament, activity, health)
and breeds toward that ideal. Someone who forms a close tie to their
puppy buyers. Someone who takes back dogs of their breeding when asked,
and who supports rescue instead of burdening it.

Someone who invests that much of themselves in their dogs is unlikely to
be "making a living" on puppies, don't you think?
--
Mary H. and the Ames National Zoo:
Raise A Fund, ANZ Babylon Ranger, ANZ MarmaDUKE, and Rotund Rhia

wrote:

On 25 Jan 2005 06:54:00 GMT, Rocky wrote:


said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

What's your definition of "professional breeder", then? The
generally-accepted definition has been explained here often.


What's your name for the right breeder? One that does it for a living
but doesn't do inbreeding and what you would associated a puppy mill
with? I think where the hangup is, is with the use of the word
"professional."

The right breeder does NOT do it for a living. If you are breeding to
make money, then your concern becomes more about maximizing profit and
income rather than the welfare of the dogs. It's impossible to breed to
make a living *and* be a responsible breeder. The numbers of dogs you
have to pump out to make your living as a breeder is absolutely counter
productive to the things that make for a responsible breeder--full
genetic health testing, proper pedigree research, going to whatever dog
is best for a match even if it means flying your bitch across the
country or even across the world, showing and working your own dogs to
prove they have both the correct structure and temperament. Professional
and Responsible are oxymorons when it comes to breeders. Anyone who
makes a living breeding is not a good breeder. Good breeders make their
money doing something else, often normal jobs like accountants and
administrators, then breed as a passion and hobby.

Professional breeder, in the context of those who know what they're
talking about, means someone who makes their major source of income from
pumping out puppies. Professional Breeder is the politically correct
term for Puppy Miller. For instance, the Professional Breeders
Association of Missouri is a group of USDAA inspected Puppy Millers
trying to make themselves sound good. They pump out hundreds of puppies
a year, keep dogs in cages with wire floors stacked 3-5 high, and ship
them across country to pet stores in semis like some companies would
ship a TV or microwave--too bad if some die on the way, that's just part
of the cost of doing business. If you ever want to truly insult someone
who cares about dogs, call them a Professional breeder.