Took the pup for his second shots today. Alls well. Damn vet was
talking to me about a science diet.(nothing worse than a fresh faced vet
who looks like shes just walked outa high school telling me how to look
after a dog. geeesh) Now, am I a lone voice here cause the vet was
saying that the scinece diet's good as there's less crap from the dog if
you feed it this wonderful wonderful "natural" food. Bollicks says I.
A dogs arse is meant to work. Thats why I have, and always have, given
my dog real food. Like meat, and cereal and vegies etc.

What do you guys think. Surly a dogs bowels are supposed to work. geesh

Trog

If this were posted by a newcomer, it would be screaming troll at me loud
and clear. The fact that you have ben on here a while meant I didn't
immediately dismiss it as a troll, but still hesitated in answering you.

Trog wrote in :

Took the pup for his second shots today. Alls well. Damn vet was
talking to me about a science diet.(nothing worse than a fresh faced vet
who looks like shes just walked outa high school telling me how to look
after a dog. geeesh)

/sarcasm on
Damn the vet (with his veterinary training) suggesting a change in diet
based on his opinion. Damn him to hell!!
/sarcasm off

Now, am I a lone voice here cause the vet was
saying that the scinece diet's good as there's less crap from the dog if
you feed it this wonderful wonderful "natural" food. Bollicks says I.
A dogs arse is meant to work. Thats why I have, and always have, given
my dog real food. Like meat, and cereal and vegies etc.

What do you guys think. Surly a dogs bowels are supposed to work. geesh

The health of a diet or a dog is so not determined by how much solid waste
the dog produces. *All other things being equal*, the dog that produces
less waste is probably eating a food that has less filler in it and more
things that it can digest. (note that medical conditions that may affect
the amount of waste are not being considered)

In my opinion, Science Diet is good for my dog. When on it, his poops are
nice, small and hard and not at all that stinky. (Granted, it is currently
-20C outside, so I may be conveniantly forgetting the summer smell). On
other foods, he eats a lot more, and his poops are bigger, and are much
softer and stinkier (even at -20C). On both foods, his weight didn't
change, neither did his activity level or general health. Of course, your
milage may vary.

--
Marcel and Moogli

Trog wrote:

What do you guys think. Surly a dogs bowels are supposed to work. geesh

I both agree and disagree with your vet. Yes, a food that results in less poop
is usually much better. It's the waste material that gets pooped out. So if
you feed a lower quality food that is full of filler (like Science Diet -
that's where I disagree), your dog is going to poop more.

--
Family Dog Trainer
"It's A Dog's Life"
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Get Healthy, Build Your Immune System, Lose Weight
http://www.re-vita.net/dfrntdrums

Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
If this were posted by a newcomer, it would be screaming troll at me loud
and clear. The fact that you have ben on here a while meant I didn't
immediately dismiss it as a troll, but still hesitated in answering you.

Trog wrote in :


Took the pup for his second shots today. Alls well. Damn vet was
talking to me about a science diet.(nothing worse than a fresh faced vet
who looks like shes just walked outa high school telling me how to look
after a dog. geeesh)


/sarcasm on
Damn the vet (with his veterinary training) suggesting a change in diet
based on his opinion. Damn him to hell!!
/sarcasm off


Now, am I a lone voice here cause the vet was
saying that the scinece diet's good as there's less crap from the dog if
you feed it this wonderful wonderful "natural" food. Bollicks says I.
A dogs arse is meant to work. Thats why I have, and always have, given
my dog real food. Like meat, and cereal and vegies etc.

What do you guys think. Surly a dogs bowels are supposed to work. geesh


The health of a diet or a dog is so not determined by how much solid waste
the dog produces. *All other things being equal*, the dog that produces
less waste is probably eating a food that has less filler in it and more
things that it can digest. (note that medical conditions that may affect
the amount of waste are not being considered)

In my opinion, Science Diet is good for my dog. When on it, his poops are
nice, small and hard and not at all that stinky. (Granted, it is currently
-20C outside, so I may be conveniantly forgetting the summer smell). On
other foods, he eats a lot more, and his poops are bigger, and are much
softer and stinkier (even at -20C). On both foods, his weight didn't
change, neither did his activity level or general health. Of course, your
milage may vary.



Nooooo, I'm not a troll. I was simply reflecting on a conversations I
had with my vet. I believe that an animal, me, my kids as well as my
dog, is designed to eat good food. and not some processed manufactured
who knows what.

For me, natural is best

In article , Trog wrote:
For me, natural is best

"Natural" like arsenic? Or "natural" like nightshade?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

In 1978, George Bush was warning that Social Security
would go broke in 10 years

"Trog" wrote in message ...
Took the pup for his second shots today. Alls well. Damn vet was talking
to me about a science diet.(nothing worse than a fresh faced vet who looks
like shes just walked outa high school telling me how to look after a dog.
geeesh) Now, am I a lone voice here cause the vet was saying that the
scinece diet's good as there's less crap from the dog if you feed it this
wonderful wonderful "natural" food. Bollicks says I. A dogs arse is meant
to work. Thats why I have, and always have, given my dog real food. Like
meat, and cereal and vegies etc.

What do you guys think. Surly a dogs bowels are supposed to work. geesh

your vet is pushing science diet because the company that owns science diet
sponsors classes on "animal nutrition". what a joke. however, feeding a
"natural" diet without researching it can be harmful, as you might miss
crucial nutrients.

i go the middle road and feed a high quality kibble (not science diet!).
from the looks of the label, my dogs eat healthier food than i do. :-)

-kelly

Trog wrote:
For me, natural is best

I agree with this. The less we mess around with the food, the better. The
more processing we do, the more nutrients are lost. And then there is the
necessity for preservatives.

I have a pretty good idea of what a human body needs for optimum nutrition. I
spent years studying it, plus have had the experience of being on a whole,
non-processed foods diet for a period of time. Made a huge difference in the
way I felt both mentally and physically, my energy level, and the way I fought
off illnesses like colds.

However... I have *not* spent years studying what a canine body needs for
optimum nutrition. Neither have vets. From what I've heard (from vets),
nutrition is not a focus of veterinary school.

But dog food companies do focus on this. Not all companies are created equal,
of course. Some of them provide the bare minimum requirements so they can sell
their food cheaply, and some of them have responded to consumer demand for
higher quality.

I know enough to make a judgement between different dog foods. But I don't
know enough to come up with my own formula and know that I'm providing the
right balance of proteins, fats, and carbohydrates, the right enzymes, the
right vitamins and minerals, etc.

I am very interested in natural diets, because I do believe they are superior
to processed diets. But I also believe I could do more harm than good if I
simply began feeding my dogs people food, without a much more intensive
education in canine nutrition.

--
Family Dog Trainer
"It's A Dog's Life"
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Get Healthy, Build Your Immune System, Lose Weight
http://www.re-vita.net/dfrntdrums

Took the pup for his second shots today. Alls well. Damn vet was talking
to me about a science diet.(nothing worse than a fresh faced vet who looks
like shes just walked outa high school telling me how to look after a dog.
geeesh) Now, am I a lone voice here cause the vet was saying that the
scinece diet's good as there's less crap from the dog if you feed it this
wonderful wonderful "natural" food. Bollicks says I. A dogs arse is meant
to work. Thats why I have, and always have, given my dog real food. Like
meat, and cereal and vegies etc.

What do you guys think. Surly a dogs bowels are supposed to work. geesh

Trog


Maui will not touch the stuff so the point is pretty much moot here.

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article , Trog wrote:

For me, natural is best


"Natural" like arsenic? Or "natural" like nightshade?

No you're being silly

"Trog" wrote in message
...
Melinda Shore wrote:
In article , Trog wrote:

For me, natural is best


"Natural" like arsenic? Or "natural" like nightshade?

No you're being silly


Not necessarily. I found a guy at the san Diego Zoo once picking berries off
a bush, carrying them over to a lemur in a large cage, and giving them to
it. I mentioned to him that the berries could be poisonous. "How could they
be poisonous?" he asked. "Don't be silly! They're organic!"
--Katrina