Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
This was passed along to me, so I thought I'd pass it along to you.

Miracles *do* happen.

Please take a second to look to see if you recognize this little boy.

That is so sad, probably his parents are dead and he is assumed dead and that's
why nobody is trying to find him. His sweet little face looks so heartbroken.
He's young though, his life stretches before him and one day soon he'll be
bursting into each day, I just know it.

LF




http://home.earthlink.net/~handsomemorrison/image001.jpg

If so page down and call the number or email the address at the
bottom of the screen. Nobody knows who this boy belongs to! Please
send this to all - we mean all! - the people in your entire network.
Looking for his family. The boy about 2 years, vacationing in Khoa
Lak is missing his parents. Nobody knows what country he comes from.
If anybody knows him please contact us by phone 076-249400-4 ext.
1336, 1339 or e-mail :

France.

spit

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...2-1c954be51733

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:23:57 -0500, "Lemony Fresh"
wrote:

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
This was passed along to me, so I thought I'd pass it along to you.

Miracles *do* happen.

Please take a second to look to see if you recognize this little
boy.

That is so sad, probably his parents are dead and he is assumed dead
and that's why nobody is trying to find him. His sweet little face
looks so heartbroken. He's young though, his life stretches before
him and one day soon he'll be bursting into each day, I just know it.

Yup, probably, LF. Kids that young are amazingly resilient.

But a miracle, or just some dumb ol' luck, etc. could make it a lot
easier on him, and on his parents, too, should they still be alive
somewhere.

It's always worth a shot.

Totally worth a shot, yes. Children are worth whatever we want to invest in
them and about a trillion times more, eh?

It's my first baby's (6'3" "baby") birthday today - he's 20. To paraphrase,
he's the white sheep of this family.

Was reading you talk about your grandchildren earlier today - I can hardly wait.

I was going to post an update about my crazy eskie tomorrow, it's been
interesting to say the least. I've brought her over to the retirement home
twice now - my conclusion is that she's freaking out about old people, it's the
gait. She has had no reaction to the walker either prone in the house or out in
the yard with the boy ambulating it.

However, she's very nervous around the people who reside in the retirement
home - I've had to be careful telling them her problem and advising them not to
crowd her or touch her when we're there. Because she's your classic big eared
"cute" dog, it's been tough for them to resist.

Anyway. We are going over between 7:20 and 7:45 while they have "reading time"
(they discuss current newspaper articles/news events), she lays alertly beside
me (down) intently watching every single thing that happens, head pivoting
wherever movement occurs. No barking outbursts but we always get there after
people are seated and walkers inanimate.

I'm sort of having fun with this, enjoying the people I'm meeting and pleased
that Chinook is behaving so well in what is obviously a stressful situation for
her. One thing I've sensed with her is that, while it's stressful she also likes
it. She's just so damn hyperalert throughout our time there and when we leave
she seems to be 'strutting'. Fascinating beasts, dogs are.

LF






http://home.earthlink.net/~handsomemorrison/image001.jpg

If so page down and call the number or email the address at the
bottom of the screen. Nobody knows who this boy belongs to!
Please send this to all - we mean all! - the people in your entire
network. Looking for his family. The boy about 2 years,
vacationing in Khoa Lak is missing his parents. Nobody knows what
country he comes from. If anybody knows him please contact us by
phone 076-249400-4 ext. 1336, 1339 or e-mail : info@phuket-inter-
hospital.co.th

France.

spit

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...2-1c954be51733

IMO, the biggest difference between having kids and grandkids is that,
say, when you're tired of your grandkids, unlike your kids, you can
just send them home with their parents.


not in my house. I live with my parents and so does my sister and her
husband and their two boys. also, my other nephew, spends at least 3 days a
week here too (overnights about 1-2x a week also). it is a packed house!

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...

This was passed along to me, so I thought I'd pass it along to you.

Miracles *do* happen.


YES THEY DO
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/children/hannes.asp

"Lemony Fresh" wrote in message
...

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/lost-tsunami-child.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4133751.stm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...sunami_boy.htm

HOWEDY tommy,

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in
message ...
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:25:02 GMT, "Jessica Benko"
wrote:

Are your pits somehow immune to the
effects of classical and operant conditioning?

Not immune by any means. It's the ones
with bad genetics behind them

You mean the GENETICS that makes them
fear and hate critters and people and gets
them MURDERED by dog lovers like you
who lock them in boxes and shock and
choke and spray aversives in their faces
when they cry to come HOWET on accHOWENT
of they're LOCKED IN with no food water or
toilet area?

LIKE THIS?:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

we all have to worry about as that breed is WAY overbred.

Well, LUCKY THING The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD
WORLD REPORT CURING those GENETIC
PROBLEMS NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply
NOT DOIN what you do to train your dogs.

I'm grateful I haven't been thrown one of those.

Perhaps you was, but didn't HURT
and INTIMIDATE and WITHHOLD
BRIBES enough to CAUSE IT to
GO NUTS like your pals dogs with
BAD GENETICS.

Like Crystal's dog Starr. Typical puppy mill
genetic recessive white german shepherd
and pet shop sold at FOUR MONTHS (long
after the SO CALLED socialization stage)
and TRAINED by FIVE PROFESSIONAL
TRAINERS and was the MOST fearful dog
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has EVER seen.

Took her SIX DAYS to become NORMAL.

Her PROBLEM was she FEARED gettin CHOKED.

But as my girls were rescues,

That's IRRELEVENT. A dog is a dog.

I had no idea what kind of breeding background

You ever seen a viciHOWES five week old puppy?

they come from.

They're DRIVEN INSANE by ABUSERS,
perhaps even their OWN MOM DOGS
who TEACH THEM FEAR and VIOLENCE.

LIKE THIS:

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

And this:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

And THIS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will
Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.
This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times
It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should
pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work
as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling
book "Courteous Canines"

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have
trained require much more frequent and heavy application
of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome

Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.

Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,

Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;

even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.

if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"

Better safe than sorry.

Yeah. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing
Puppy Wizard has taken this opportunity to
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards who
hurt intimidate and murder dogs they're
AFRAID to HURT and INTIMDIATE someMOORE
by QUOTING them HURTING dogs and LYIN
abHOWET it.

LIKE YOURSELF, earlier today.

Bad genetics or good, classical and operant
conditioning work as well on bulldawgz as
they do on, say, Papillons, Labs, Heinz 57s, etc.

PRECISELY. At least we're ALL in agreement there.

The ONLY PROBLEM is your CC and OC and
whatever other abbreviations and algebra bunk
DON'T WORK CONSISTENTLY SUCCESSFULLY
as EVIDENCED by melanie's dog Solo and his
3 year CASE HISTORY of ANTI PSYCHOTIC
medications and NO SUCCESS, and likeWIZE
Professora Linda Daniel's DISMAL FAILURE
with the UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORIST dra.
mcconnell.

Only DIFFERENCE is, Professora Daniel CURED
Sunshine's OCD FEAR AGGRESSION / LIGHT /
SHADOW CHASING NEARLY INSTANTLY by
simply DOIN OPPOSITE of what she was taught
by dra mcconnell and following the BOOKS and
VIDEOS by dr ian dunbar and karen pryor and
gary wilcox's CLICKER trainin and of curse jean
donaldson's and the entire littany of the BEST
books and methods.

And that's CONSISTENTLY REPEATABLE
AS DOCUMENTED RIGHT HERE in The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's Forums.

Then the next time you're out, you might want
to drop by some place where a traditional trainer
is using "physical corrections" to good effect.

Yeah. We can look up kwbrown's DEAD DOG Teena's
CASE HISTORY or luara arlov's DEAD DOG Chewie's
CASE HISTORY or Robert Crims DEAD DOG Fritz's
CASE HISTORY or tara o. aka tee's DEAD DOG
Summer's CASE HISTORY or steve walker's DEAD
DOG Sampson's CASE HISTORY or chrisman dinan's
DEAD DOG Usal's CASE HISTORY or jls's DEAD
DOG'S CASE HISTORY or purple pony's DEAD DOG
Raggdoll or all the other DEAD DOGS YOU'VE
PERSONALLY ADVISED RIGHT HERE, tommy.

Did that.

Well then COMPARE tommy's SUCCESS
ratio Vs The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS
for ALL temperament and behavior problems on
all dogs and all hanler's all over the Whole Wild
World from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid.

FIGGER IT HOWET.

It's called BEHAVIORAL ANAL-ysis.

Ever see a Rottie break down right there
and lunge after the trainer for that spinner
thing-whatever you call it... rotating the dog
in circles-yep.

She means swinging the dog in circles
in the air by his choke collar. A trainer
recently got arrested for doing that and
was CONVICTED of animal cruelty. It
was an international case, the name of
the abuser was steven king. The UK
papers had online PICTURES of the
airplaning dog's choke collar BREAKING
and the dog in mid air. And there was a
UK police dog handler who MURDERED
HIS K-9 doin THAT.

LikeWIZE the Cloud 9 case where the
so called trainer was caught on film
jerking and choking a dog like tommy
told melanie to do to her little dog Skeeter
for DOMINANCE PISSIN.

"Spinner thing"?

"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in
resentment of the demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal
with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites
someone other than his master," wm koehler.

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962).
New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash
are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's
most frantic actions could cause.

Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and
fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target, the
dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned
problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he
still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he
has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is physically
incapable of expressing his resentment and is
lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger
loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice,
and roll over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his
side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you.

You may have witnessed what can happen
to one of those so-called "incorrigible" dogs

You mean dogs that DOMINANCE **** on
accHOWENT of lack of leadership through
jerking and choking on your pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or shock collar, tommy?

(i.e., the ones that no one else even wants to
work with)

You mean the WONS noWON wants to HANG?

when, for example, he tries to come
up the leash (because he's never before
been on a leash)

That's incorrect, tommy. Dogs LEARN to CLIMB
the leash to ATTACK THEIR ABUSERS. It takes
PRACTICE for a dog to climb paw over paw up
the lead to attack the mental case who's CHOKIN
IT accordin to your koehler book you're quotin, tommy.

and take a big chunk out of the trainer's face.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's breeds are
Great Danes and English Mastiffs. They're
TOO TALL to HANG and SPIN in a circle, tommy.

Well, if the dog tries to do that,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREYS.

A LOT.

he gets to go for a little ride.

That's BRILLIANT!

Dogs LOVE goin for rides tommy.

Just jingle your keys and PRAISE HIM!

Change the dog's STATE OF MIND and you
got a CLEAN SLATE. GOOD THINKIN tommy.

And here The Amazing Puppy Wizard didn't
think you knew HOWE to TRAIN a dog withHOWET
HURTIN or MURDERIN IT.

HOWEver, that STILL won't EXXXTINGUISH
the BAD BEHAVIOR tommy on accHOWENT
of you got to repeatedly and successively
interrupt the thought process to CURE the
FEAR AGGRESSION.

And you CAN'T DO THAT if your dog is on
leash and thinkin you MIGHT JUST CHOKE
him a little MOORE to teach IT leadership.

It's basically a SELF-DEFENSE technique,

PRECISELY. Dogs ONLY attack when they're AFRAID.

not a training method.

Well, that AIN'T HOWE it SEZ in your koehler book.

Yes, some dogs get like that when
they've been able to get their way
all their lives,

Like melanie's dog Skeeter's DOMINANCE PISSIN
and Solo's FEAR AGGRESSION and HYPERACTIVITY.

HOWE COME Solo was NORMAL when he
was BOARDED for the summer when melanie
was in Europe and taken off medications?

by owners who think the word discipline is a dirty word.

You mean HURTIN the dog, tommy?

Naaah. melanie AIN'T AFRAID of HURTIN her dogs tommy:

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

But eventually the dog grows up and
becomes one of the incorrigibles,

You mean AFRAID enough to attack you, tommy?

totally unmanageable,

Perhaps that CHOKIN got sumpthin to do with it, tommy?

and even DANGEROUS,

The hallmark of a COWARD.

and then their kindly, compassionate owners
take him down to the pound for someone else
to worry about.

NO PROBLEM tommy, we got STAFF who
MURDER DOGS for us... RIGHT HERE.

Fortunately, there are still some trainers who
are willing to work with this kind of dog,

Yeah. FORTUNATELY!

in an attempt to save his life.

RIGHT.

HOWE COME IT DIDN'T WORK FOR ANY
OF THE DEAD DOGS YOU'VE ENTERTRAINED
TO DEATH RIGHT HERE, tommy?

Point is, physical corrections will work on
SOME dogs if done properly.

Yeah. And THAT variably reinforces these
dog abusing mental cases. They FORGET
the DEAD DOGS their METHODS MURDERED.

No, Jessica, they work on ALL dogs,

Well that AIN'T TRUE tommy, unless you
got it happenin in a LABORATORY like the
WON you're settin in, good buddy.

if you know what you're doing.

Yeah. You'd have to be a SCIENTIST like
professor SCRUFF SHAKE to know HOWE
much jerking and choking and shaking is
GOOD for a dog pryor to HANGIN IT and
doin the SPINNIN thing for the dog climbing
his leash to rip your doGgamend throat HOWET
for you on accHOWENT of ITS AFRAID of you
JERKING and CHOKING and SHOCKING IT
someMOORE.

Then you WONder HOWE COME dogs attack kids.

Sit rolls DHOWEN hill.

In well over 40 years of training dogs I've yet
to come across one they didn't work on.

That so?

HOWE COME YOU CAN'T REPEAT IT HERE?

Big dogs, little dogs, fat dogs, skinny dogs,
good dogs, bad dogs, good-looking dogs,
ugly dogs, etc.

Even French dogs.

But NOT WON DOG HERE, tommy.

REMEMBER?

France.

Viva La France!

spit

Ooops! You dropped sumpthin tommy.
Mind pickin it up?

Okay, there was *one* dog:
http://www.teddyavenue.com/catalog/i...853/548461.htm

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

And I do apologize if I did offend you.
I didn't mean to. I was just harassed
a bit too mch by that puppy wizard
asshole, and was in a very bad mood,
so anything I posted anywhere wasn't
so nice. LOL Again, sorry.

Yeah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard makes
dog lovers GO MENTAL when he QUOTES
THEM HURTING DOGS and LYING abHOWET
it like HOWE HE JUST DONE to jessica today.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

No problemo. The "Puppy Wizard," real name
Jerry "The Asshole" Howe, can do that to a person.

Yeah. Made tommy sorenson give up his
DOGMAN moniker on accHOWENT of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED him as a lying dog abusing
punk thug coward homophobe mysoginist
drunken mental case who FORGOT to
swith identies WON fine day and signed on
as tommy sorenson, sorenson's Retriever
PUPPY MILL and Cock Fight Farm, MO, USA.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAAHA!!!

AND he's PERSONALLY MET lying frosty dahl
and her IDIOT husband johnny STICK MAN dahl.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

REMEMBER, tommy? Or would you PREFER
being called joey finnochiario, the same joey
who moderates the HIV forum and tries to
CONvince QUEERS that HIV AIN'T CONtagiHOWES.

REMEMBER tommy, you anonymHOWES coward?

Jerry's NUTS.

Yeah. But you're a lying dog abusing mental
case who hurts intmidates and murders dogs
and Jerry TRAINS DOGS ALL OVER the Whole
Wild World TO PERFECTION NEARLY INSTANTLY
and for FREE, to boot.

REMEMBER tommy?

And he's been harassing people here for a long, long time.

ONLY the lying dog abusing punk thug cowards
and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES
whom HE QUOTES hurting dogs and lying abHOWET
it.

Like HE done to jessica today.

BWEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Pay him no mind.

Yeah. PRETEND THOWESANDS of people
WON'T READ IT on accHOWENT of EVERY
WON has HIM in their KILLFILE.

Just put him in your kill-file.

Yeah. On accHOWENT of HE will make
you LOOK like a lying dog abusing mental
case for hurting dogs and lying abHOWET it.

He's basically invisible to most of us here.

Like HIV.

Absolutely true.

Yeah. Back to dominance pissin.

But all dogs require LEADERSHIP.

Right. That's what the pronged spiked
pinch choke and shock collar and aversive
sprays are for.

And classical and operant conditioning
works on ALL dogs.

Well no, it' don't.

Or you wou'dn't SEE all them DEAD DOG'S CASE HISTORYS.

I definitely agree there. If you can't show
the dog you are the leader, then you're
letting the dog lead you. That is NO way
to manage, let alone train, a pet. It also
makes for a dangerous situation of you
have a big dog.

You mean a BIG dog like a fifty P-HOWEND Pit Bull
with them locking jaws that never bite people if they
come from ETHICKAL Pit Bull Fighting Breeders.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Then, on that single point of AGREEMENT,

You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamendMOORE tommy.

we shall raise our glasses and wish each
other a Happy New Year!

That so, tommy?

Cheers, Jessica!

sinofabitch writes:
What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
posts from two different people,
took pieces of them out of context,
cobbled them together,
then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

Which is exactly what he did.
The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context, and Jerry's
faked "quote" is downright meaningless.

Here's Jerry's version

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

Here's yours;

"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!


From: Mark Shaw )
Subject: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST

In article gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrnsc53,
"Coleman Brumley" wrote:

Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?

If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have
one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.

I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing --
more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners
walking their dogs. I thought of raising the fence a foot or
so, but don't think that'll solve the problem. I've tried
watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she
props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail.

I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.

I take it you're considering running the wire across the top
of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it
may be worth a try. Watch closely -- the one case where I saw
a hotwire used in this fashion caused the dog undue stress and
frustration, and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
So be prepared to take it down right away.

That was a Dane, though. With a Saint things might be
different.

--
Mark Shaw

culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for
standin behind their SHOCK FENCE
just like HOWE liea's dog attacked
her only friend and tried to attack two
little kids for standin in her SHOCK ZONE:

From: culprit )
Subject: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

"micha el" wrote in message
...

Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.

It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.

--------------------------------

"Tricia9999" wrote in message
...

how effective are these electronic fences in
keeping a dog on a property????

Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.

Just hides under a desk in the house.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!


http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.

If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.

Here's a other:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh

BUT, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, please provide a quote (an
original quote, not from one of Jerry
Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or
using an abusive form of training.

--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------


Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and
says: lying frosty dahl says:

"To me, training a dog without using intimidation,
confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything. I
certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it. And "fear"
can be included under the category of intimidation.

Not a one of these is constructive in the training
of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship,
the dog's confidence, the dog's ultimate potential, etc.

But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to
cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch
collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch.

I just don't equate the reaction with the tool/method--I look
at the dog to know its reaction. I think that is what some
people don't do: they are so full of surmises about what
causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as
the authority.

I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the
benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses
not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF
YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of
"twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH
SPIKES).

I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).

I would never advise anyone to slap a dog
(SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you
expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???).

I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever,
where slapping a dog is anything but destructive."

RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff
doesn't mean hit, it means slap. amy lyingfrosty dahl
continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
require much more frequent and heavy application of
pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome

Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
dog will give in

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.

Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl.

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me.

I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not
Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where
Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't see
why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any
trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making
them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.

Here's lying frosty dahl BEATING A DOG to TRAIN IT:

Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.

In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.

If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.

Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."

=====================

Amy Dahl writes:

"From where I sit, there is a difference. I haven't noticed
any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force
their method on everyone, or calling others names because
they do not use the method.

I personally believe the Koehler method is a more
humane way of teaching than any alternative I have
studied.

And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a
number of methods.

Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized
work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his
book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler
on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work.

Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others?

First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as
significant to dogs as it is to people. Applied correctly,
Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional
manipulation. It is clear and definite, and the handler's
actions are always predictable. The method is masterfully
designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in
any way. It places high demands of responsibility on the
trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly,
so it is not for the casual "dabbler." When done well,very
few corrections are needed.

In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence
of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's
favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction
weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.


Here's lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson
beatin a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to save ITS life:

But FIRST, a little good KOEHLER trainin:

Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking
Backslider.

"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

An indelible impression can sometimes be
made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long
duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute
intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."

"Housebreaking Problems:

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"

Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment.

Make certain he is equipped with a collar
and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.

When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.

Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.

It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.

When he's been spanked, take him outside.
Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding
and close observation, you will not have to do
much punishing.

Be consistent in your handling.

To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.

The same general techniques of housebreaking
apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the
house.

For the grown dog who was reliable in the house
and then backslides, the method of correction
differs somewhat.

In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.

The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation.

The fact that he once was reliable in the house is
proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it
leaves you no other course than to punish him
sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of
his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences.

If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and
punish him again for the same thing.

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.

It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.

"Handsome Jack Morrison"
wrote in
message
...
On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT,
(DogStar716)
wrote:

Never mind dogman

You too? Some folks just never learn.

Uh huh

One of the signs of mental illness is to say "Uh
huh" a lot.

PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't
on this list, he (or she) is NOT an approved
Koehler trainer, no matter how loud you scream
otherwise.

May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be on
a list to use Koehlers methods or teach his
methods.

Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you
that not every trainer who uses a leash is a
*Koehler* trainer.

Sheesh.

This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but
if she's hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about as
far from a Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can
possibly be.

Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.

I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.

http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/patoflearn.html
Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware that
whoever wrote it knows nothing about PR based
training:

"Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend
in Positive Reinforcement Only training systems"

You cannot use PR only.

Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and
many other places as well) *claim* that they use
nothing but R. You know, the PPers.

And they do it quite loudly, too.

Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as
ignorant?

Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.

And if you knew anything about PR BASED training,
you would realize that. It's not all cookies and
babytalk.

There is no stronger supporter of R than Handsome
Jack Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool
in my bag, including R-, P, and P-, because I know
that even R has its limits.

You'd know that too, if you didn't have your head in
the sand.

But that seems to be the battle cry of the
Koehler-ites.

The Koehlerites have no battle cry.

They have behaviorism on their side, and that's more
than enough.

I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs a
proper leash correction as I do not rely on a leash
to control or teach my dog.

That may or may not be suitable for your needs, but
it's not suitable for the majority of dog owners,
especially since the advent of leash laws.

Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler
training, Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in
need of a leash.

That you apparently don't know that, once again
shows me just how ignorant of anything to do with
Koehler you are.

My last two dogs have been trained offleash right
from the start, using rewards for what I like, and
nothing for what I don't like.

Good for you, and if that level of training is good
enough for you, fine. But it's not good enough for
many of the rest of us.

Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.

I really have no idea what you're saying anymore,
because you apparently know so damn little about
Koehler and behavioral principles in general that
it's hard to have an informed discussion with you.

PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to
keep denying that those certain harsh methods are
only for LAST RESORT situations, intended only to
SAVE A DOG'S LIFE, even after I've repeatedly given
you direct *quotes* from Koehler's book saying just
that. It's like you don't even care how stupid
people think you are, or how devious you are, etc.
That can't help your cause any. You'd think that
you'd at least want to *appear* to be honest, even
if you're not. -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently
remove the detonator to reply via e-mail


"Handsome Jack Morrison"
wrote in
message
...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
wrote:

Good books huh?

Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.

Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
tell you to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,

There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
(i.e., it *can* and *does* work in *some*
situations). Unfortunately, most people either do it
incorrectly, do it at the wrong time, etc.

or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard
enough if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within
5 minutes of his punishment?

If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after
careful evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get
it over with quickly than it is to do it
incrementally and half-heartedly, which usually only
invites the need for even more discipline.

Maybe you liked when they recommend these beatings
for housebreaking accidents, chewing/destructive
behavior, stealing, trying to get on your bed
at night and dog on dog aggression.

At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."

I'm sorry if you don't agree.

And each of those behavior "problems" needs to be
looked at in its proper context.

A quote from the Monks:

"We repeat, these situations may merit physical
discipline. Since no book can pretend to analyze
every individual dog and situation, we feel
obligated to emphasize from the outset that
discipline is never an arbitrary training
technique to be applied to each and every dog for
all offenses. We do, however, believe that physical
and verbal discipline can be an effective technique.
The best policy if you experience any of the above
problems is to consult a qualified trainer or
veterinarian for evaluation of your individual
situation....

"If discipline is decided upon as a training
technique, it should be the proper technique. We
feel we have developed several methods that depend
less on violent physical force than timing, a flair
for drama, and the element of surprise.

We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to
map out these methods, rather than simply skip
the topic because it is unpleasant. Dog owners
want to know what to do."

In other words, physical discipline is reserved for
those serious, special occasions when other methods
have failed.

For example, they do not recommend using physical
discipline for *routine* housebreaking chores --
only on those rare occasions when an already
reliably housebroken dog is (after careful
evaluation) deemed to be soiling the house on
purpose, backsliding, etc.

I'll give you an actual example. Years ago, an
adult dog was brought to me as an *incurable*
house-soiler. It was either get the dog reliably
housetrained or the dog was going on a one way trip
to the pound. Being the kind, compassionate trainer
that I am, I was prepared to do whatever it took to
get this dog house-trained and save his life.

After several weeks of more or less traditional
training, and to poor result, I brought out the big
guns -- physical and verbal discipline. Whenever the
dog soiled the house (no, you don't even have to
catch him in the act), I immediately (but very
calmly) tossed a leash on his collar, dragged him to
the scene of the crime, and (using a large
chair as a prop) tethered him to the leg of the
chair, with his nose about two inches away from the
poop. After a couple of swats on the rump, some
loud vocalizing, and a wait of about 20 minutes, I'd
release the dog and then ignore him for a while. I
had to repeat this process *three* times, I think --
and the house-soiling miraculously stopped. The dog
went home to enjoy a long and contented life with
his original owners, and I got to feel good about
myself.

So, yes, the Monk's books are good ones. Even for
novices.

Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

-- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the
detonator to reply via e-mail


THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing
types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is
difficult -- and pressing. "Professional trainers often get
these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is
the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and
then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes
painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the
cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected
because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of
mealy-mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog
psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts
their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the
greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of
time.

"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would
ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety,
the professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform
a "major operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in
resentment of the demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal
with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites
someone other than his master," wm koehler.

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962).
New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash
are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's
most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the
dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes
his grab. Before the teeth have reached their target, the
dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground. As in
coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he
still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he
has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of
expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he
will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once
or twice, and roll over on his side. The sight of a dog
lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you.

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House," 1996 William Koehler


BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING,
YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING

The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it
certain you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him
know you were against his sound effects, even though your
reproving didn't quiet them, so we'll bypass the loudly
clapped hands, the cup of water in his face, and the
"shame-shames" and start with something more emphatic.

We'll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the
one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking
furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few
clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the
light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to
use his mind rather than his mouth.

But you won't make the permanent impression unless you
supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control
he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don't always
come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe
the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times.

With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the
BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his
lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless
barking will not lessen the dog's value as a watchdog but
rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it.

The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness
because you're gone constitutes a different problem. If it is
impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are
owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you'll
have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This
calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand.

Attach a line to your dog's collar, so your corrective effort
doesn't turn into a footrace around the house until you reach
a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the
correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be
quiet as the dog drags it around when you're not present.
Next, equip yourself with a man's leather belt or a strap
heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning.

Yup-we're going to strike him. Real hard. Remember,
you're dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and
neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does.

Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your
going. When you've walked to a point where he'll think you're
gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop
and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a
nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a
dog's hearing to be many times as sharp as yours.

When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the
door so you can barge in while he's still barking, which is
generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an
emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge
back to his area.

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that
you've conveniently placed, and descend on him. He'll have no
chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until
his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he's a big dog,
until you've snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While
he's held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his
thighs.

Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the bitter end. A
real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat
performances that will be necessary.

When you're finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put
him on a long down to think things over while you catch your
breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the
stay and leave the area again.

So that you won't feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a
great percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good
homes" end up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell.
Personally, I've always felt that it's even better to spank
children, even if they "cry out," than to "put them to sleep."

You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before
your dog starts broadcasting again. When he does, let your
long range bellow tie the consequent correction to his first
sound and repeat the spanking, if anything emphasizing it a
bit more.

It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another day off
so that you'll have time to follow through sufficiently. When
you have a full day, you will be able to convince him each
yelp will have a bad consequence, and the consistency will
make your job easier. If he gets away with his concert part of
the time, he'll be apt to gamble on your inconsistency.

After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the
correction" will be tied in close enough association so that
you can move in on him without the preliminary bellowing of
"out." From then on, it's just a case of laying for the dog
and supplying enough bad consequences of his noise so he'll no
longer feel like gambling.

Occasionally, there is a dog who seems to sense that you're
hiding nearby and will utter no sound. He also seems to sense
when you have really gone away, at least according to the
neighbors. Maybe his sensing actually amounts to close
observation. He could be watching and listening for the signs
of your actual going.

Make a convincing operation of leaving, even if it requires
changing clothes and being unusually noisy as you slam the
doors on the family car and drive away. Arrange with a friend
to trade cars a block or two from your house so you can come
back and park within earshot without a single familiar sound
to tell the dog you've returned. A few of these car changes
are generally enough to fool the most alert dog.

Whether your dog believes you are gone anytime you step out of
the house or requires the production of changing clothes and
driving off, keep working until even your neighbors admit the
dog has reformed. If there has been a long history of barking
and whining, it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog
be quiet when you're not around, so give the above method an
honest try before you presume your dog requires a more severe
correction.

This same tactic is taught by cindymooreon on her
"faq" page on k9web, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn
at their Bay Area GSD shelters, and lying frosty dahl,
marquis de "read koehler for content" shaw..., professor
"scruff shake" dermer, professora "chin chuck absolutely
doesn't mean slap" gingold, ron hardin, and much,
much moore. j;~}


From: Dogman )
Date: 1997/11/01
On a cold day in Hell, 31 Oct 1997 23:50:55 GMT,
(Dogpsych) wrote:

[...]

Koehler's Usefulness: Digging

If you come home and find your dog has dug a hole,
fill the hole brimful of water. With the training collar
and leash, bring the dog to the hole and shove his
nose into the water; hold him there until he is sure
he's drowning.

If your dog is of any size, you may get all
of the action of a cowboy bull-dogging a steer.

Stay with it. I've had elderly ladies who'd had
their fill of ruined flower beds dunk some mighty
big dogs. A great many dogs will associate this
horrible experience with the hole they dug.

It is not necessary to *catch the dog in the act*
in any of the above instances of correction. Be
consistent in your corrections and your dog will
come to find the smell of freshly dug earth quite
repugnant.

I LOVE this one. It's VERY effective, it absolutely
doesn't interfere in your relationship with your dog,
and is EASY and QUICK to do. And it can be really
funny to watch. Yes, there are other methods that
work, for example the stake-in-the- ground method
that Koehler also describes, balloons in the water, etc.

The point here is that you have a CHOICE. If your
flowers, yard, etc., are no big deal to you, don't even
worry about it. Live with the destruction, give him an
area of his own to "destroy," etc.

Whatever. But if you're one of those people who
spends a lot of time and MONEY on your landscaping
and grounds, give it a try. It works!

No, there is no reason for you to "drown" your dog!
Hyperbole is just that. Hyperbole! Don't let it cloud
your common sense.

Usually within seconds, the dog will start to struggle.
That's what you want him to do: THINK he is about
to drown, not actually drown.

Hold him there for another few seconds and then
release him. And I've never known of a dog to even
attempt to bite during this procedure.

Normally they'll just shake it off and start AVOIDING
ANY HOLES -- almost immediately.

Now folks, what's the worst thing that happened
to this dog? Was it injured in any way? Absolutely
not. Was he startled?

Absolutely. That's what AVERSIVES are supposed
to do. This procedure works in the same way that
snake-proofing a dog with an electronic collar works.

Or to prevent dogs from chasing deer, etc. And if you
think you can make your dog, say, avoid POISONOUS
snakes using only positive reinforce, I've got some
beach-front property in Kansas I can sell you cheap.

Are flowers and backyards a matter of life and death.
Probably not -- unless the dog ends up at the vet's
because of it. But SOME people, unable to otherwise
"cure" this hole-digging, will simply take their dog to
the vet's to be euthanized. Don't believe that? Go
down to your shelter or rescue group and ASK them
the reasons that people turn in dogs.

Maybe YOU wouldn't do it, but a lot of folks would.
There aren't approximately 5 million dogs put to
death each year (in the US alone) for no reason,
are there?

So folks, yes...YOU decide for yourself. If this
seems "cruel" to you, just don't do it. But don't
think about getting an abortion, either.

Who is cruel to a dog, is more cruel thereby to his own soul.
--Will Judy

Whosoever refuses to punish a dog for behavior
that can get it KILLED has no heart whatsoever
and will go straight to hell.

--Dogman

"So grab the line and give him about 5 minutes of
the hardest tanning you can administer. Use a belt
heavy enough to make him really feel your efforts."
--William Koehler

From: Marshall Dermer )
In article

writes:

-snip headers etc.
Yes. you're right, I really should find the book.. they
don't have these books in the local pet stores I frequent,
where do you find

Koehler?

I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com
Richard

Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new
and used books on its shelves. You can order
books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======


P.S. Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"Rootman" wrote in message
...

Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote:

snipped

Something else that was completely stupid,
ignorant false and nongermane.


JH, you are a goosestepping, facist, brownshirt,
terrorist supporting, nazi thug. YOU hurt and kill
dogs then try and cover it up by dreaming up false
quotes to support your own retard methods.

Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else.

---------------------------------------------------------------

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marshall Dermer"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard

Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?

Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer
Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

--------------------------------------

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. {}YPW; ~ }
oo-oo

GOT MILK?

"Child" wrote in message
...

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...

This was passed along to me, so I thought I'd pass it along to you.

Miracles *do* happen.


YES THEY DO
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/children/hannes.asp



Yeah, it was all over Euronews and CNN just a couple of days after the
tsunamis. An English-speaking couple, extensively interviewed, found him
being cared for by a group of Thai survivors, and they took him to the
local hospital. A couple of days later he was recognized on TV by his
grandparents in Switzerland, and reunited with his father at another
hospital. His mother is presumed dead.
--Katrina

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:42 -0900, "Child"
wrote:

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
. ..

This was passed along to me, so I thought I'd pass it along to you.

Miracles *do* happen.

YES THEY DO
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/children/hannes.asp

Wow! Amazing. At least his father is still alive.

It must take a while for this kind of Internet "search" to wind its
way down.

But good news is good news, any way you get it.

Especially over there, where there is so much bad news, its good to have a
story where a family is at least partially reunited. He's a cute little
guy.