BluHeelrTX said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I spanked Bailey the Beagle/Bassett X
maybe two or three times. Now (nine years later) raising
an open hand to shoulder level is the extremely effective
equivilant of the FOG voice.

What does Bailey do when you raise your hand?

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"The Bill Mattocks" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thank you both so very much for the kind words about my pooches. Here
are a couple of more recent shots - they're going up so fast!

http://www.growlery.com/puppies/DSCN1870_small.JPG - at the park about
two weeks ago.

http://www.growlery.com/puppies/DSCN1874_small.JPG - Closeup at the
park.

http://www.growlery.com/puppies/DSCN1916_small.JPG - Milo an hour ago -
while I was home at lunch time. Our fenced backyard. It's raining
here today.

http://www.growlery.com/puppies/DSCN1924_small.JPG - Mollie in the
kitchen an hour ago. She has a thinner face than her brother, and her
ears stick up, while his either flop over, or one up and one down. I
am guessing he also has like 10 pounds of weight on her.

These are just quick grab-shots, not the kind of photography I normally
do. Just thought you'd like to see what they look like now - since
they change so fast.

Truly handsome dogs. And great snapshots.

flick 100785


Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

"The Bill Mattocks" wrote in message
ups.com...

I was at MCRD SDiego, Pltn 2068, 1979.

Heh. Some young ladies I worked with waaay back when (the late '70s) used
to go drinkin' of a Friday night at the Anchor Inn. Just about across the
street from MCRD, as I recall.

flick 100785

On 8 Mar 2005 08:00:13 -0800, "The Bill Mattocks"
wrote:

As to swatting - we each have our opinions. Big issue or not. We each
understand each other's beliefs. We disagree. That's not going to
change, is it?

It will change when you have adolescent dogs instead of puppies, but
by then it may be too late. Teaching a dog to fear your hands is a
bad thing not because of what other people might think but for
yourself. Your one dog is already showing you how to speak dog. She
uses her voice tone, body language and control of valuable resources
like food to keep her brother in line, and very well it seems. Since
butt swats aren't part of dog language and mean nothing to the dog,
all your dog is getting from being swatted is that it should stay out
of range. Once it really figures out that it can blow you off any
time you are more than an arm's length away (or it can get that far
away faster than you can grab or swat), your goose will be cooked. If
the dog learns that trying to understand what you want and giving it
to you results in good things happening, then it is focusing on what
you want, not on staying away from you, and you end up with far better
results. I don't hit my dogs because I don't have to. If you play
your cards right, you won't have to, either, and will be able to
control behavior with things that you can use from across the room as
well as when you are within physical disciplining distance.

--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay

Rocky wrote:

BluHeelrTX said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I spanked Bailey the Beagle/Bassett X
maybe two or three times. Now (nine years later) raising
an open hand to shoulder level is the extremely effective
equivilant of the FOG voice.

What does Bailey do when you raise your hand?

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

He stops misbehaving. Basically, he drops his ears and tail and freezes
- the same effect as the fear of god voice. No, he doesn't roll over
and wet himself. I have done it before when he isn't misbehaving and
the response is the same - he freezes and waits until I say it is OK.

On 8 Mar 2005 06:38:26 -0800, "The Bill Mattocks"
wrote:

Don't have bedding in the crates, wipe them out with a paper towel if
needed, but I can't
imagine why it would be.

We put some old soft blankets in the crate, which we wash once a week.
I'm not letting them sleep on cold hard plastic.

Just take the blankets out for feeding and toss them back in for
sleeping. You can also feed the dogs in separate rooms. The thing is
to make it so the male dog isn't intimidated out of eating his food in
peace and the female doesn't get any reinforcement in her notion that
doing that to him is her right. It sounds like as long as she is able
to interfere with his eating, she will, so there will have to be some
physical restraint from her doing so. Do you feed dry food? I
sometimes feed in the crate and don't even bother to get the dog bed
out first. They manage to get all the food without messing anything
up. As long as it is dry food, the worst you have is some crumbs that
will come out when you do wash the blankets. It's no worse than all
the dog hair that is probably already in there between washings
anyway.

--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay

on 2005-03-08 at 18:56 wrote:

The pictures don't really show how tall he is. I couldn't get
him to stand still next to 21" Friday or 24" Rocky.

he's beautiful! i'd kill for hair that color.

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ (updated dailyish, apparently)

on 2005-03-08 at 16:38 wrote:

It was the 'C' litter.

so will you keep the name? (pretty please?!)

Mission accomplished!

meaniepants!

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ (updated dailyish, apparently)

on 2005-03-09 at 13:15 wrote:

I wonder if this is just learned survival behaviour based on
her experience before being rescued -

unlikely.

I suspect she just needs to learn that food is never going to
be short again - as an experiment I would try leaving food
out all the time for at least a few months.

that is *really*, *spectacularly* bad advice. it's a
guaranteed way to make the problem worse, not better.

Bill, whatever you do, do *not* do what this guy is advising.

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ (updated dailyish, apparently)

On 8 Mar 2005 14:28:01 -0500, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
Rocky wrote:
Heh. When you have as many dogs (working dogs at that) as
Melinda, [ ... ]

Speaking of which, here's the likely next member of the
pack:
http://www.employees.org/~shore/Crow300.jpg

She's a littermate to Cinder (it was the 'C' litter) and
will take us up to a sufficiency of dogs to do 15-mile races
next year. If it works out she'll be joining us in April.

Very nice-looking dog. You shouldn't have to tell anyone she's a
Siberian.

Mustang Sally