On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:02:53 +1100, quietguy
wrote:

No, generally I don't use expressions like (silly girls etc) that all as they
are quite demeaning and insulting - but there have a couple of posters who make
such silly statements I chose use those terms to show contempt for people who
simply cannot admit they are wrong and apologise as any mature person would.

Oh, well, then if that is how it goes, I can see where you are coming
from, silly girl.

--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay

THAT'S INSANE.

HOWEDY flick,

flick wrote:
wrote in message
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To me, the problem is that Toben just doesn't like to be
touched or have too much contact (other than me or my
wife), and I don't know if Owen will understand this or
Toben will accept him more, eventually, because right
now he seems to be very afraid of the other one, and
avoids him at all costs.

Any ideas will be appreciated, Thank you very much.

You MUST keep these two dogs separated.

THAT will INCREASE their FEAR.

Period.

You shock and choke and murder dogs, flick.

You may be able to calm them down sometime in future

You mean instead of trainin them NEARLY
INSTANTLY not to BE AFRAID, flick?

by neutering both dogs -

Surgically sexually mutilating dogs makes
them FEAR AGGRESSIVE, flick.

it can help,

The CASE HISTORY DATA DISAGREES, flick.

although I think these 2 will probably still fight.

You can't train dogs not to fight if you
can't train them not to be afraid and
you can't train them not to be afraid
when you choke and shock and lock
them in boxes and spray aversives in
their faces when you IGNORE them
for CRYIN.

They just might not be as quick
to fight, but that would be helpful.


That so?

Shar Peis are normally very, very territorial,

BWEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

and very one-person or one-family dogs

That so?

(I've had a number of them in the past, and still have 1
aging Pei). Yours is only half Pei, but it sounds like he
inherited the Shar Pei temperament and attitude ;-).
In my experience, it is perfectly normal for a Pei to not
be friendly to strangers and to not get along well with
other dogs.

THAT'S on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing mental case.

Don't try to make him into something he isn't

You hurt intimidate and murder dogs, flick.

(although he should learn basic manners and
obedience, and it isn't too late to train him).


THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR DOGS WERE HOWETA
CON-TROLL and FEAR AGGRESSIVE, flick {) ; ~ )

People are likely to get bitten if they get between
two dogs that are fighting - as your brother has
found out. Best thing to do is keep the dogs
separated so fights don't happen.

That'll make life VERY difficult, flick. The dogs
will become MOORE aggressive and someWON
will leave a door open and they'll have accidents.

It would be a good idea to invest in 2 crates,
if you don't have them already.

You mean if he doesn't learn HOWE to TRAIN
the dogs not to BE AFRAID, flick?

They can often be found cheaply used, in the
classified ads, at garage sales and thrift shops.

Crating INCREASES phobias, flick.

If you need more ideas on how to separate dogs
in your household, with your room layout, feel free
to email me.

BWEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

I am not an expert, but I have a multiple-dog
household (8) and some dogs that must be
kept away from each other.

Yeah. On accHOWENT of YOU GOT THE SAME
PROBLEM and don't know HOWE to CURE IT, flick.
THAT'S HOWE COME you're a MENTAL CASE, flick.

flick 100785

HOWEDY Jessica,

"Jessica Benko" wrote in message
news:VLIAd.17358$EL5.10940@trndny09...

This is something I can definitely relate to

INDEEDY!

IN FACT, YOUR DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEM!

as I have 2 female Pit Bulls,

Oooops!

one is fully dog aggressive,

Duh-Oh?

the other selectively dog aggressive.

IOW, she's UNPREDICTABLE on accHOWENT
of you mishandle her.

My 2 were best friends

"WERE"? You mean you ruined them.

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.

until that dog aggro switch came on in the older one's head.

You mean you intimidated your dogs and made
them fear aggressive of each other like HOWE
your pal culprit aka kelly aka metta (metta is kelly
aka culprit's aka on the MENTAL PERSONS NGs
so she don't get STIGMATIZED as a lying dog
abusing punk thug coward mental case) done
to her dogs to make her OPPOSITE SEX PB's
attack each other and MURDER their HOWES kat.

REMEMBER?

I broke a total of 3 fights between them.

That so? You didn't TRAIN them NOT to fight?

Mind you, neither of my dogs weigh as
much as your Neo,

Oh? Do dogs need to be a certain weight pryor
to bein able to TRAIN THEM NOT TO FIGHT?

but they can do alot of damage

Yeah. THAT'S HOWE COME we TRAIN them NOT to fight.

if the right thing isn't done in time.

You mean, TRAINING THEM NOT TO FIGHT?

I was alone during this too.

INDEED? Nevyn trained his two three year old
female PB X Kelpie's not to fight, all by his
lonesome. Took two weeks on accHOWENT
of he had a lotta BAD HABITS of his own to
change, but as soon as he stopped thinkin of
FEAR AGGRESSION as a BAD BEHAVIOR he
was able to get 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL
CON-TROLL NEARLY INSTANTLY.

But of curse, you can't DO that if you're hurtin
and intimidating and lockin the dog in a box.

First off, prevention is the key.

No. Prevention is the CAUSE of FEARS.

If these dogs get along otherwise, then
closely supervise them while they are
together,

THAT will make the dog's PARANOID.

but don't give them anything that can trigger a fight,

Dogs FIGHT on accHOWENT of they're AFRAID.

Food,

Food aggression is CAUSED BY FEAR, not food.

toys,

Possession aggression is CAUSED BY FEAR, not toys.

rawhides, bones, etc.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard "JUST SEZ NO!"
to risky behaviors like chewin bones and rawhide.

are all triggers.

THEY TRIGGER FEAR.

If they show any sign of stiffness, separate
them immediately.

THAT WILL REINFORCE THEIR FEARS.

If the dogs become FEARFUL and you SEPARATE
them the dogs will dwell on their fears and start off
the next time AT THAT LEVEL or STATE OF MIND
of FEAR.

What you need to do is EXXXTINGUISH their FEAR
pryor to separating them so that when they're RE
INTRODUCED they will RESUME at that same STATE
OF MIND of FEARLESSNESS.

A FEARLESS dog will NOT attack UNLESS
he's PROTECTING HIS PACK.

A break stick won't do you much justice
if a) you don't know how to use it properly

You shove it between the teeth. What's to know?

or b) you are the only one to break the fight.

O.K., seems you FORGET what your Pit Bulls
are NOTED FOR, pit bull lover. Seems if you
was to put a BREAKING STICK between the
dog's teeth the dog would LOCK HIS JAWS
on the STICK and not let go. It's a THIGMTAXIC
response thanks to INSTINCT enhanced through
SELECTIVE BREEDING by Pit Bull LOVERS and
MURDERING ANY Pit Bull who GRHOWELS at
a human being.

And a break stick is also not recommended
for dogs such as Neos or GSD's or Chows,

SEZ WHO??? THAT'S INSANE.

let alone mixes of the sort.

Oh! You're talkin abHOWET not usin a
breaking stick on a NON FIGHTING BREED
on accHOWENT of they might not LOCK
DHOWEN on the STICK and could bite
sensitive human flesh.

LUCKY THING DOGS DON'T FEEL PAIN, ain't it.

If you have 1 person for each dog, you each
grab the collar with one hand and pour water
over the dog's mouth/nose.

You talkin abHOWET pourin water into the
snHOWET of a PIT BULL dog who's KNOWN
FOR FIGHTING TO THE DEATH to break them
of fighting?

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

You think a spritz of selzer water would be
MOORE effective?

This is usually enough to break the bite,

Seltzer MIGHT work... but if it don't you'll look like
Claarabell The CLHOWEN on HOWEDY DOODEY.

but you must act quickly and get them apart.

You MIGHT try throwin the leash to the ground
and stompin off in the other direction like HOWE
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn was sayin dr. ian
dunbar was teachin them in his grHOWEL class:

"I spent this evening at a small group session on
dog-human aggression hosted by Open Paw. Ian
Dunbar was the speaker"

That's DOCTOR ian dunbar, dog behavior fraudS.

"and was very clear that he uses P."

You mean P as in PUNISHMENT or P as in PRAISE?

Or P as in POO POO?

We're gonna quit using CONfHOWENDING scrabble
terms and RELY on INTELLIGENCE and HONESTY,
things you've YET to learn abHOWET cause you'll
do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right
to hurt and murder dogs as you PREFER.

"The distinction he made, and I think it's at the
heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he
calls "instructive punishment"."

IOW MOORE DHOWEble talk. lying "I LOVE KOEHELR"
lynn REPORTED his "METHOD" DIDN'T WORK for her
and her PALS who were at that "grHOWEL class":

Lynn K.:
In a talk on dog-dog aggression on 5/27.
Given his propensity for repeating himself
verbatim, I'll bet he's also written it somewhere :-)

My biggest take-home from that evening actually
came from a brief conversation with Tricia999 &
some co-workers afterwards.

They confirmed my experience that "growl classes"
don't have a lasting impact on the reactivity of dog
aggressive dogs.

Our common experience was that the desensitization
only lasted for the session and didn't carry forward.

Lynn K.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

If you are alone, then you need to do
whatever will literally scare the crap
out of the dogs for more than a split
second.

THAT would make them MOORE fearful.

YOU MIGHT TRY PRAISING THEM INSTEAD.

I had to throw a kitchen chair
across the floor at the dogs.

That's probably not the most effective throwing tool.

I was alone and 2 fighting Pit Bulls is not a
fun sight at all, let alone having to break them up.

Right. It'd be WIZE to learn HOWE to pupperly
handle and train your dogs pryor to getting them
afraid of you.

It sounds as if your Neo has some food
aggression issues that need to be worked on,

So called FOOD AGGRESSION is
CAUSED by MISTRUST, not food.

as well as your brother's dog.

The other dog got NUTHIN to do with the
FOOD AGGRESSIVE DOG FEARING HIS
FOOD GETTIN STOLEN.

If it is something you don't care to work on,
then you both must see to it that these dogs
are always alone with anything high value such
as food, treats, and toys.

IOW, a Pit Bull CANNOT LEARN to TRUST?

Some dogs, even well managed ones,
still cannot be around other dogs with food.

ON accHOWENT of they're AFRAID.

Also, spaying and neutering helps
tremendously with any kind of aggression
issues in most breeds.

Well THAT'S a flat HOWET LIE AS EVIDENCED
BY YOUR OWN DOG'S CASE HISTORY.

AIN'T IT.

I wish I could say the same for my girls,

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

YOU CAN'T on accHOWENT of you surgically
inapupriately unnecessarily sexually mutilated
them on accHOWENT of 1) you don't know
HOWE to train your dogs and 2) your UNETHICKAL
VETERINARIAN MUTILATED YOUR DOGS FOR
MONEY with the EXXXCUSE that unnecessary
surgical mutilation is heethful.

as they are both spayed,

So they won't breed when they're runnin loose ?
Or so your two bitches won't impregnate each other?
Or was that on accHOWENT of you bought the BIG LIE?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

WHEN do you NEED your dog SURGICALLY MUTILATED?

ONLY IF YOU'RE LETTIN IT RUN LOOSE.

but dog aggression is a normal trait for Pit Bulls,

ONLY IF THEY'RE AFRAID.

so I have simply chosen to manage them.

On accHOWENT of your dogs are AFRAID
on accHOWENT of you abuse them accordin
to the ADVICE of the EXXXPERTS like dr plonsky
and professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer of UofWI.

They're lying dog abusing punk thug cowards
and active long term incurable mental cases
who hurt intmididate bribe crate shock choke
and murder dogs and TRY to get HOWET callin
THAT, trainin.

The dog abusing mental cases won't even defend
themeselves here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums.

Good luck.

DOG TRAININ AIN'T LUCK.

Dogs FIGHT and ATTACK ONLY when they're AFRAID.

~J

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had
using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

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Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive
had with your training manual! My two mutts have
gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND
My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female
today and she was being an angel after like an hour
of working with her! it is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

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Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.

Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.

Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn

Nevyn says:
How are you?

Jerry says:
sup?

Nevyn says:
Oh nothing

Nevyn says:

My dogs are alot better now!

Jerry says:
fine

Jerry says:
tell me

Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@%
about other
dogs

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
Yup

Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?

Nevyn says:
No

Nevyn says:
Praised them

Jerry says:
ahh!

Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better

Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears
at them and
pours water on them

Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!

Nevyn says:
muahaha

Jerry says:
ok

Jerry says:
I'll go for that

Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if
you're
consistent

Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them

Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends

Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath

Nevyn says:
muahahaha

Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind
teat?

Nevyn says:
eh

Nevyn says:
nah

Nevyn says:
cant

Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin

Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it

Jerry says:
why not.

Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server

Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would
prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?

Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't
already know,
huh?

Nevyn says:
hah

Nevyn says:
tell them they're ****ers who need to die

Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much

Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now

Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?

Nevyn says:
pfftt

Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training

Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual

Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!

Jerry says:
hhahahahaha

Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING
you're
wanting them to do?

Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.

Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and
LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???

Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Nevyn says:
LOL

Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!

Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune

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Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL

Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!

Nevyn says:
lol

Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.

Keep up the good work. j;~)
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From: Nevyn )
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST

Hello

I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly
are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes)
x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don't laugh!).

They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home
with them, and they are friendly with unknown
people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant
over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;

Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they
are very good whilst I'm walking them, some
days they are not. They are 3 years old and
have only been walking for about 12 months
because my mom didn't walk them and now
I'm home so I walk them for about an hour
and half every afternoon. I take them to the
park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.

This is my problem :

The less-dominant dog viscously barks at
every other dog we walk past; I have tried
using a stick and giving her a tap when
she does it, and treating her with treats
when she doesn't, using a choke chain,
a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff
in her mouth when she barks.

She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]

Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know
this is WRONG, when the other dog barks,
she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other
dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then
the barking one attacks the more-dominant
one and they fight on the leash... it is
quite disturbing to the people walking past.

And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores
them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday.

The less dominant one I must keep on a
leash if a person brings there dog to the park.

How do I stop them attacking other dogs?

I have tried all the methods I have used
above for 10 months every afternoon.
Is it just a pack-behaviour thing?

It can really be quite embarrassing when your
dogs attack some old lady's or little girl's dog.

They are good dogs, when at home or when
there are no other dogs around. Today there
were hundreds of sparrows flying around the
park and they were chasing them and jumping
up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes
(They went straight to bed when I bought them home!).

Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails
address, coz this list is
tooo crowded.

Thanks,
Nevyn

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