"AndreaS" wrote:

Recall didn't matter that day. He was killed by the _single_ car to come
down the road that afternoon and they never even saw it happen.

And unfortunately, the nasty "amusement" of deliberately hitting loose
animals tends to be more common in rural areas.

"Sionnach" wrote: in message

what will happen if someone witnesses her killing a deer, and reports
you to the game warden?

That should have been phrased "chasing or killing", since in many areas
chasing is enough to get you cited.

"Jim Pflaum" wrote in message
oups.com...
Our 6 year-old German Shepherd, Ali, keeps running down and killing
deer. She's a great dog and always obeys our voice commands, except
when she spots a deer. Do any of you have any training tips on how we
can break her of this terrible habit?

Put up a fence. No, you don't have to fence your entire 43 acres. Put up a
nice yard that encloses one end of your house, where there's a door into the
house. Then install a dog door.

If you want to take her to the woods, put a LEASH on her. That's how I keep
my dogs. They are FENCED and have house access through a dog door. If I
take them out of the fence, they are LEASHED.

I live in the country too. There's nothing that ticks me off more than
people who think they have a "right" to allow their dogs to run loose, just
because there's no leash law per se. It means I can't ride my bicycle down
our road; I can't go for a walk; I must fence in MY property to keep dogs
like YOURS off it.

You are required to maintain control of and supervision over your dog AT ALL
TIMES. With 43 acres, there's no way you'd know whether or not your dog has
ever crossed your property line.

flick 100785

So much for your "TRAININ".

CITES PLEASE?

You might start by going to this web site and read about crittering:

http://www.loucastle.com/critter.htm

The guy will answer e-mail questions.







Jim Pflaum wrote:
Our 6 year-old German Shepherd, Ali, keeps running down and killing
deer. She's a great dog and always obeys our voice commands, except
when she spots a deer. Do any of you have any training tips on how we
can break her of this terrible habit?



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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:14:15 -0500, "Sionnach"
wrote:


"AndreaS" wrote:

Recall didn't matter that day. He was killed by the _single_ car to come
down the road that afternoon and they never even saw it happen.

And unfortunately, the nasty "amusement" of deliberately hitting loose
animals tends to be more common in rural areas.

I was just talking to a guy Friday whose dog had been run over on a
dirt road by neighborhood teenagers. The dog was fenced in but
happened to get out. The family's little boy was trying to call him
in when he barked at a car on their little dirt access road and the
teenagers in the car chased him down and ran him over for barking at
them. The teenagers got in trouble for it, but that didn't bring the
dog back or erase the little kid's memories of watching his beloved
dog be run down. Very sad.

--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay

Spot wrote:
You are lucky that no one has shot her for this. Most hunters I know if
they see a dog running deer will not hesitate to kill the dog.

Yup. And in many areas it's perfectly legal to do so, even if the
dog is on your own property.

It's unfortunate that this dog has been allowed to get away with
this - since she's experienced the incredible reward of being
able to chase & kill multiple times it's going to be very hard
or impossible to break her of it. Management (i.e. leashing when
she's not in a secure pen) is probably the best bet from now on.

Dianne

Hi, PW.


YourConscience wrote:
HOWEDY scott,

Scott wrote:

You might start by going to this web site
and read about crittering:



BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!


The guy will answer e-mail questions.



The GUY is a a DOG ABUSER like yourself, scotty.
Your own dog WENT NUTS from gettin jerked and
choked and shocked by you. REMEMBER scotty?
You thought your dog was CHASING GHOSTS!!!



My dog don't chase no ghosts. Are you off your meds again.




Here's a couple QUOTES from your
SHOCK COLLAR DOG AUBSER pal:

If you're using this for dog to dog aggression, the
degrees of success will vary

If your TRAININ ain't CONSISTENT scotty, don't
THAT mean your TRAININ relies on SHEER LUCK?


No.





depending on the reason for the aggression.

That so, scotty? You think the DOG dictates
the DEGREE of SUCCESS you're gonna get
from HURTIN and INTIMIDATING IT, scotty?

If it's out of fear,

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR, scotty.



No.




THAT'S HOWE COME you HURT your dog.




My dog wears a flat leather collar and doesn't need to be hurt for any
reason.




ONLY dog abusing punk thug cowards and active
incurable long term acute MENTAL CASES hurt
dogs and post here abHOWET it.

you'll probably find that the dog ignores
the other dog that is was previously afraid of.

OR HE'LL GET BURNED someMOORE, eh scotty?

Some dogs will lose so much fear

By making them HURT when they're AFRAID.

that they'll PLAY with the other dog,

So long as you threaten to HURT him someMOORE.

Kinda like the dancin bears, eh scotty?

but that degree of success is rare.



What are you trying to say?



INDEED, scotty? HOWE COME they ALWAYS
get the dancin bear to DANCE, scotty? PERHAPS
your punk thug coward pal lou castle don't HURT
his dogs ENOUGH to train EVERY DOG CONSISTENTLY?

If the aggression came out of being a bully,

"BULLY," scotty? BULLYS are COWARDS, like
you and your punk thug coward pal lou castle.




I thought you and I were buddies?




your dog will probably stop that behavior.

If he's a BULLY. Or if he was AFRAID. If you HURT IT ENOUGH.

A lot of how successful this is

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

depends on the dog's history in chasing prey
animals or being aggressive.

IOW, SHEER LUCK?

If he's had success it just takes more repetitions.

You mean if it don't work do MOORE of the same,
harder and faster, eh scotty?

It WILL work.

DEPENDING... eh scotty?

By the way it's just about impossible to do this in an
unstructured environment. Here's what happens if you
do. The prey animal is so close that the dog's drive (or
level of distraction, if you prefer) spikes at a very high
level.

NO PROBLEMO. THAT'S HOWE COME LeeCharlesKelley
gets 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL NEARLY
INSTANTLY by TRAINING the dog "IN DRIVE."

All you gotta do is understand HOWE a dog thinks
learns and behaves. It's kinda WON of them things
you COULDN'T MISS if you knew anything at all
abHOWET dogs.

He goes from 0 to 60 in a heartbeat.

Yeah. THAT'S the BEST state of mind in
which to train a dog, on accHOWENT of
he's FULLY ENGAGED and feels NO pain
and FEARS NUTHIN. The dog will do ANY
THING you ask to achieve his objective.

That's the kinda dogs you bums TEST and BREED for.

In the very structured environment that I describe
above, the dogs drive level is kept very low.

RIGHT. THAT'S HOWE COME the dog INTIMIDATES EZ.

It's at the point where the dog ìjust notices the prey
animal.

THEN YOU HURT IT.

So EVERY TIME the dog SEES the critter he
EXXXPECTS YOU TO BURN HIM someMOORE.

Usually the distance between the dog and the
prey animal is 50 yards or better.

That's curiHOWES. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
trains dogs not to FEAR other critters in WON
session working them three feet from each other.

In an unstructured environment the distance
between them is often only a couple of feet.

Yeah. THAT'S HOWE COME "sneaking up" on
the PROBLEM seldom works, scotty. You got to
address problems directly using effective non
physical conditioning techniques or you'll only
make the dog MOORE AFRAID. Like HOWE
it goes when you TRY to SNEAK UP on a FEAR.

Now he's at such a high level of distraction

Real dog trainers CALL THAT DRIVE, scotty.

that he won't even feel his working level of stim.

Your pal lou sez the dog won't FEEL his BURN, scotty.

To get him to feel it

To FEEL the PAIN EVERY TIME HE LOOKS
at the critter that SCARES HIM, scotty.

(the latest Ecollars from Dogtra are marked on the dial
0-100) you'll have to go to a 50 or maybe even higher,

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

depending on the dog,

A DOG IS A DOG




Yeah, I get that.


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House does your dog respond to gunshots?

At a Maremma stud I visited the owner would fire his gun when any of the
dogs became too rough with the animal they were being bonded with, and as
Maremmas seem to hate the sound of guns pairing the unwanted behaviour to
a gunshot reduced that behaviour.

Although I have not used this technique myself, all my Maremmas have
headed for the hills when they see me with a gun (shooting feral cats)

Depends though on how your dog responds.

David

Jim Pflaum wrote:

I was hoping to get some worthwhile training tips, not a lecture. We
don't live in or near a city. We live on small 43 acre farm, and have
no nearby neighbors. Ali never leaves our property, even when she's
chasing deer. Don't like the idea of an e-collar. She's been
reward-trained and she's an absolutely wonderful and obedient dog,
except for her deer chasing. We've got three horses, 2 cats and about a
dozen chickens and she gets along great with them. Again, I'm looking
for some training tips, not a lecture.