Trog said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Nick, your old guy's response is just his way of showing
who's who in your house. Sometimes, though, it's just
play, so use your best judgement.

eh, think its a bit more than play when he's standing
there, after working himself up into the state, with an
engorged erect penis.

Damn, but you should write for Harlequin.

FWIW, I know hundreds of dogs and have seen/noticed/observed
plenty of erections when a male (neutered or not) is excited.
That excitement is often something non sexual, though every dog
is different.

I mean, the dogs horny dude.

Don't anthropomorphize. Dogs also hump as a frustration
release, another amongst other reasons already mentioned.

Which
is why I wonder if the reason is that there is no male
smell from the castrated dog.

Interesting theory, but my experience is that smells get
attention and lack of smells don't.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

on 2005-06-06 at 13:18 wrote:

I honestly don't know.

are you telling me that you really think it's probable that
your neutered male to suddenly started smelling like a bitch
in heat? if he has, you *really* need to take him to the vet
to be checked out, because something is seriously wrong.

I'm pretty sure I picked the idea up in a dog book somewhere.

well, then, it must be true.

I may have got it wrong. However, it does make sense to me
that if a dog has testosterone and male hormones etc produced
by the testes then perhaps the lack of that male smell could
confuse a dog into thinking that the dog isnt male.

yes, that's possible. it's even probable. but, that's not
the same as suddenly smelling like a bitch in heat.

--
shelly
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Trog wrote:
We have three dogs. Two old *******s, around 10, and the third one
the pup, 8 mnths old. He was castrated about 6 weeks ago. The old
russle/foxy/terrier cross something or other is entire. Sasha, the
bitch is fixed. Anyway, I heard somewhere that if a dogs castrated,
he no longer gives off a male smell. So as far as an entire male dog
is concerned a castrated dog must be a female as the castrated animal
dont smell like a male. Would that account for the old guy with his
nuts gettin horny with the pup ?

cheers.

As has been mentioned, it's more than likely a dominance thing. Your pup is
starting to mature so the elder male humps on him as a reminder of where the
younger pup is in rank.

As a side-note .. Sertoli cell tumors can cause male dogs to give off bitch
scent. But a neutered dog has almost no chance of this happening since the
tumors are located in the testes .. unless the tumor started and spread
before neutering. James Herriot has a cute anecdote about that happening
(the tumor that is) in his Dog Stories book. Below, the same link talks
about Sertoli tumors too.

Another way a male can give off bitch scent is if he's also a hermaphrodite.
" Male Pseudohermaphroditism When XY males with testes also develop female
internal or external genitalia, this condition is known as male
pseudohermaphroditism. This disorder occurs as two distinct types: 1)
persistent mullerian duct syndrome and 2) defects in androgen-dependent
masculinization. " But apparently only Miniature Schnauzers and Basset
Hounds have had that documented as occurring.
http://www.labbies.com/reproduction5.htm

~misty
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shelly wrote:
on 2005-06-06 at 13:18 wrote:


I honestly don't know.


are you telling me that you really think it's probable that
your neutered male to suddenly started smelling like a bitch
in heat? if he has, you *really* need to take him to the vet
to be checked out, because something is seriously wrong.


I'm pretty sure I picked the idea up in a dog book somewhere.


well, then, it must be true.


I may have got it wrong. However, it does make sense to me
that if a dog has testosterone and male hormones etc produced
by the testes then perhaps the lack of that male smell could
confuse a dog into thinking that the dog isnt male.


yes, that's possible. it's even probable. but, that's not
the same as suddenly smelling like a bitch in heat.

shelly. I don t recall suggesting that a castrated male smells like a
bitch on heat. What I am suggesting is that perhaps because of a lack
of male smell due to removal of the pups nuts that in the absence of a
strong male smell that this could indicate to the entire dog that
because of a lack of male smell that the pup is effectively female.
Because of the lack of a distinctive male smell.

on 2005-06-07 at 20:44 wrote:

shelly. I don t recall suggesting that a castrated male
smells like a bitch on heat.

does your intact male go around humping bitches who are not in
season? if, as you suggest, the behavior is due to
"horniness," then the only way it makes sense is if your
neutered male suddenly smelled like a bitch in hear *or* your
intact male gets turned on by bitches who are not in season.
i'm not sure which is less likely, but i *am* pretty sure that
your basic theory is seriously flawed.

What I am suggesting is that perhaps because of a lack of
male smell due to removal of the pups nuts that in the
absence of a strong male smell that this could indicate to
the entire dog that because of a lack of male smell that the
pup is effectively female. Because of the lack of a
distinctive male smell.

that makes no sense. dogs are not stupid. they are sure to
recognize that a neutered animal smells differently than an
intact animal, but i cannot imagine that they are so dim
witted or that their sense of smell is so poor that they
mistake a neutered animal for an intact animal of the opposite
sex.

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/
http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05)