"elegy" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:29:46 -0400, "Luna" wrote:


"elegy" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:14:58 -0400, "Luna" wrote:


"diddy" wrote in message
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80 lbs? What kind of pit bull weights 80 lbs?


An overweight one?

Don't they usually weight in at around 40 lbs? All the pits I've seen are
compact and muscular but not very tall. It sounds like a messed up hybrid
to
me.

i think the ukc breed standard goes up to 60.

So what does that mean, el? Is it not really a pit bull? Pit bull mixed with
a
rottweiller or something like that?

mine are 45 and 50.

Yours look very healthy. I get a bit annoyed when I see dogs that are
seriously
overweight (but I don't think an 80 lb pitbull can be *that* overweight, do
you?
It sounds more like some kind of mix to enlarge the breed).

i found a picture of the dog who wasn't shot by the cops.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?m=/c/pictures/2005/06/04/ba_dogmaul_ph1.jpg&f=/c/a/2005/06/04/MNGCUD3O661.DTL

if the link works. definitely not fat.

Just big, she looks up to the officers' thigh.

Okay, I thought this dog was just present and not involved? I understood it was
the other dog that was hyperexcited and wouldn't let the officers enter.

I guess she's dead no matter what, though.

Doesn't look good for pit bulls in the State of California.

Jean
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"elegy" wrote in message
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a well-bred, stable-tempered pit bull should *not* be provoked to
attack by a 12 year old kid. dogs are not human children. it's not
fair to anthropomorphise like that.

Its also possible that there wasn't any overt provocation at all. I'm
thinking of "pack frenzy." It could have been any number of things from one
dog talking to the kid and the other starting a fight/joining in/taking it
too far to the two dogs fighting and the child being caught in the way then
being turned on to the child playing nicely with one or both dogs to the
child having a piece of food or any number of such things which didn't
involve obvious antagonization. Then again maybe not. I doubt anyone will
ever know if someone wasn't in the room at the time. I've seen what's
referred to as "pack frenzy" in dog-dog fights and its amazing the change
that comes over the dogs. That's why I'm hypothesizing on the possible lack
of child antagonism and why "family" pets suddenly turned.

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Tara

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:22:07 GMT, Wooly wrote:

pit bulls should not be timid. that's a sign of a weak temperament in
a pit bull. pit bulls should be very self-confident.

Actually its a sign of poor treatment at the hands of humans.

Pitbulls are ******* crosses of bulldogs and other things. They were
originally bred to be *fighting dogs*. Staffordshire Terriers are
descendents of pitbulls; staffies have in fact been bred for loyalty
combined with their ability as guard dogs...

Yes, it is humans that make Pitbulls timid. It always saddens me to find
them in that condition because I realize their spirits have been broken
by a pathetic, wimpy human: a human being that they could have killed. I
sometimes have to remind myself which is the Animal.

I'm trying to learn the differences between Pitbulls, Staffordshires and
other similar-looking breeds; especially for visual identification.

Wooly, I thought about you this week, because I removed a Lot of dog
hair. I was never sure any of it would have been useful to you, so I
didn't collect any of it. :-(

Michael

When I die, I want to go where dogs go!

"elegy" wrote in message
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i found a picture of the dog who wasn't shot by the cops.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?m=/c/pictures/2005/06/04/ba_dogmaul_ph1.jpg&f=/c/a/2005/06/04/MNGCUD3O661.DTL

Based on what I see & breed identifications in the southeast that dog looks
more American Bulldog than Pit to me.

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Tara

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man-biters who won big money were kept, obviously-

And the two biggest 'names' who were known manbiters were also bred
extensively.

I was just reading an interview by a rescue advocate that said any pit
bull with good temperament wouldn't bark at strangers. What a load of
crap. JC, they're still DOGS, fercryinoutloud.

Debbie

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Yes, it is humans that make Pitbulls timid. It always saddens me to
find them in that condition because I realize their spirits have been
broken by a pathetic, wimpy human:

A lot of fear biters are being bred, not 'made'.

Debbie

From:

Based on what I see & breed identifications in the southeast that dog
looks more American Bulldog than Pit to me.

He looks like a bully mutt to me. There's an awful lot of crap being
bred, so it's possible he has papers as being one or the other. I
certainly wouldn't swear he's purebred _anything. shrug

What a sad situation, all around.

Debbie

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:57:33 -0700, (Debbie S) wrote:

A lot of fear biters are being bred, not 'made'.
Debbie

Okay. I do not dispute that at all. There isn't a way to tell if a dog's
fear-biting potential stems from heredity or environment, is there? And
then, what if environment has compounded bad genes!? What a mess!

Is one variety any easier to repair than the other? Or is fear biting
repairable at all? I like to believe it is, in most cases. I often get
to hug dogs that start out wanting to eat me. Unfortunately, my winning
their trust doesn't always save their life--because no one else takes
the time to earn their acceptance. That's shelter life, and death.

When I die, I want to go where dogs go!

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There isn't a way to tell if a dog's fear-biting potential stems from
heredity or environment, is there?

Well, sure, if they come out of the whelping box that way. I've seen a
few.

Is one variety any easier to repair than the other?

Sure, man-made. 'Repair' is a good term to use, because I'm not sure
they ever go back to 'good as new', once warped.

Unfortunately, my winning their trust doesn't always save their
life--because no one else takes the time to earn their acceptance.
That's shelter life, and death.

I have more of a 'farmer's mentality' when it comes to shelter dogs. I
believe only the very best of temperaments that can do well in the
average home should be held over for adoption, and that doesn't include
fear biters.

Debbie

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i dunno, my one pit doesn't bark at anybody

I've had dozens come through my house, and all will bark at strangers.
Now, we live _way out in the sticks, and don't have guests over often,
other than students coming for classes or lessons, and the dogs are
normally kenneled before they arrive, so I expect that has a lot to do
with it. Still, I think making blanket statements such as 'stable pit
bulls don't bark at strangers' is ridiculous. They. Are. Still. Dogs.
I know as soon as someone turns onto our lane that someone is coming...
they don't alert to the closest neighbors, but they certainly alert to
new vehicles, _as _they _should, IMO. But, maybe she was misquoted, it
happens. shrug

my other pit whose temperament is not nearly as solid barks at every
little noise.

I don't think barking is any more of a clue to temperament than coat
color is, unless you're talking about defensive, hackles raised,
slinking backwards kinda barking. The most solid dogs I've known _will
raise hell at my gate when someone comes down our road. Doesn't mean
they'd do anything to 'em if they came over the fence, but so far no one
has been stupid enough to try it. Afterall, they _do have yorkie, GSD,
border terrier, border collie, and this week, JRT and Aussie back-up.

Watch out for the yorkie. And the owner.

Debbie