How can you do that?
YOU wear the god damn thing.

I know how you feel. I have a little Lasa named BeeGee, and if she
was shocked by one of those, I wouldn't be so happy. She is such a
loving dog, as most every dog is. Dogs don't need torture. I do
agree, the law is meaner to humans than dogs, but dogs are living
things, and with shock collors are in living torture.

On 7 Jun 2005 16:26:44 -0700, "BEEGEE"
wrote:

I know how you feel. I have a little Lasa named BeeGee, and if she
was shocked by one of those, I wouldn't be so happy. She is such a
loving dog, as most every dog is. Dogs don't need torture. I do
agree, the law is meaner to humans than dogs, but dogs are living
things, and with shock collors are in living torture.

I'm glad somebody here is not advocating the use of them, and you are
right, too many people think they have to hurt a dog to train them.
In the time I have been reading this usenet group, I have read about
people, shocking, hitting, cooping up, and even debarking their dogs.
I know that all Americans are not that cruel, but their does seem to
be a large percentage of, what we like to call "******s" down here,
posting on this group.

We have 5 dogs working on our property here, I have never had to hit
any of them let alone use any of the other horrid things described
above. If the dog does the right things it gets rewarded. If it does
the wrong things we look at why and correct the situation, not with
punishment but with understanding and patience.

Thanks for your support.

Rosemary

Rosemary wrote:


I'm glad somebody here is not advocating the use of them, and you are
right, too many people think they have to hurt a dog to train them.

Very few people think the above, why would you say that?

In the time I have been reading this usenet group, I have read about
people, shocking, hitting, cooping up, and even debarking their dogs.

Your definition of "cooping up" please, and your reference to any
citations of studies which prove that such "cooping up" is cruel. Thanks
in advance. As for "shocking," I'd also like to see your proof that a
normal fence shock can kill a dog. Citations to any study would be
acceptable. Hitting? Who advocates hitting? Debarking? Well which is
more cruel, constantly punishing a dog which was bred to bark (i.e.,
some shelties) for doing what it was made to do? Dumping a dog in a
shelter because you can't get it to stop barking and your neighbors
complain to the police? Or debarking?


We have 5 dogs working on our property here, I have never had to hit
any of them let alone use any of the other horrid things described
above.

Yabbut, a) you seem to live way out in the country, and b) you don't
even allow your dogs inside. I call that cruel myself. Guess you're a
****** eh.

Rosemary Petticoats wrote:

I'm glad somebody here is not advocating the use of them, and you are
right, too many people think they have to hurt a dog to train them.

There's only one person here who talks about hurting dogs to train
them, and if you're silly enough to listen to him you're even more
lacking in critical thinking skills than you've previously established
yourself to be.

Dianne

on 2005-06-08 at 10:40 wrote:

I'm glad somebody here is not advocating the use of them, and
you are right, too many people think they have to hurt a dog
to train them.

not me. i adore my dogs and would never do anything to hurt
either of them.

In the time I have been reading this usenet group, I have
read about people, shocking, hitting, cooping up, and even
debarking their dogs.

i have never shocked, hit, or debarked a dog. as for cooping
a dog up, i suppose having her killed would've been acceptable
to you? because that was the only viable alternative. there
just aren't that many people who are eager to taken on a high
octane dog with SA, dog aggression, serious critter
aggression, and a pathological fear of 99% of the male
population.

I know that all Americans are not that cruel, but their does
seem to be a large percentage of, what we like to call
"******s" down here, posting on this group.

that's a very large brush you're wielding. if i'm a ******
for wanting to do whatever i can to keep my dogs happy,
healthy, and ALIVE, then so be it.

We have 5 dogs working on our property here, I have never had
to hit any of them

i've been hanging out in this newsgroup for 7-8 years and i
have never--*never*--seen anyone advocate hitting a dog.

If the dog does the right things it gets rewarded. If it does
the wrong things we look at why and correct the situation,
not with punishment but with understanding and patience.

funny, but that's how i train my dogs, too!

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/
http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05)

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:46:12 GMT, (diannes)
wrote:

Rosemary Petticoats wrote:

I'm glad somebody here is not advocating the use of them, and you are
right, too many people think they have to hurt a dog to train them.

There's only one person here who talks about hurting dogs to train
them, and if you're silly enough to listen to him you're even more
lacking in critical thinking skills than you've previously established
yourself to be.

Dianne

I take it you're referring to the Puppy Wizard.....

As far as I'm concerned, anyone that advocates the use of shock
collars, electric fences, de barking, hitting, long confinement in
small boxes etc, deserves to have the Puppy Wizard on their case.

Rosemary

on 2005-06-10 at 02:45 wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, anyone that advocates the use of
shock collars, electric fences, de barking, hitting, long
confinement in small boxes etc, deserves to have the Puppy
Wizard on their case.

as far as i'm concerned, anyone who would condemn thousands
upon thousands of dogs to death needs a reality check.

personally, i'm thankful that i was able to use a crate for my
dog. otherwise, she would have had to be euthanized. the
thought breaks my heart, because, despite her problems, i
think she's a *very* nice dog. but, oh well, i must be cruel
for taking the time to figure out what her problems were and
finding ways to manage them while i worked on fixing them
permanently. if that's cruel, then so be it. maybe, next
time, i should get one of those Kelpie x Labs you were
recommending. i don't particularly like retrievers[1] and
have never met a Kelpie, but i'm sure you know best!

i also think it's cruel to condemn a dog to a certain and
likely painful death just because you find it distasteful that
he get a two little shocks from a pet grade e-fence. ditto
debarking. i don't think it's something people should do as a
matter of course (knowing your needs and finding the right dog
to suit them is what i'd recommend), but once they have the
dog, and their options are debark or kill it, i'll recommend
that they debark it. killing it would be cruel, IMO.

and who, pray tell, is recommending hitting dogs? making
things up doesn't help your credibility.

[1] i don't dislike them, either. i just don't have a huge
love for the breed. and, i think, a huge love is what someone
should have when they get a dog.

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/
http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05)

"Rosemary" wrote in message
...


As far as I'm concerned, anyone that advocates the use of shock
collars, electric fences, de barking, hitting, long confinement in
small boxes etc, deserves to have the Puppy Wizard on their case.

SO, we are luCKy to have our PUPs as PETs, eh??

Christy

Christy said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

SO, we are luCKy to have our PUPs as PETs, eh??

Heh.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.