I hate poop laws. Leash laws are okay, but unless someone is getting 20
turds a day in their yard, I think they should just get used to it as being
part of civilization where man and beast live together. I also get the
feeling that dog hater get a special joy from making dog owners pick up
warm, stinking turds with just a thin layer of plastic between hand and
turd. It's a kind of sadistic thrill these anal retentive lawn lovers revel
in. Most likely poop laws have deterred many more people from taking walks
with their dogs which should not be a goal in a society rampant weight
problems. Peope should be overjoyed that you're walking your dog on a leash.
A little poo here and there isn't something to worry about.

I live near a town that recently put in poo laws and they've even extended
it to their college's mountain hiking trails/ cross country trails. Grant it
these places are made for the students to use, but the truth is they use
them rarely and they're deep in the woods whereas I use them frequently. A
dog is happier when he can run free. As an owner, I know I'm happier and
safer with the dog running in the woods far from cars. Having a big dog on
flexi means he can't explore as much and if the ground is rough, I can get
pulled over by the dog. He's also constantly getting wrapped around
saplings, sometimes in steep places. Leashing in the woods is just another
way people are moving to a dog hating society.

I can see leashing in the city and even the burbs where dogs are territorial
and aggressive, but they're not like that in the woods and certainly it is
asinine and punitive to be making people pick up crap in the forest. Please
someone, start an organization of dog lovers who rebel against these laws
and demand change.

Also, people who poison or shoot dogs should be imprisoned. Maybe no death
penalty, but people who kill pets are sickos. It's just an easy way for them
to hurt someone to be able to kill a dog without having to face time in
jail. Six months would be reasonable. It would force them into a trial which
would cost them money and make them think before they act.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:37:29 -0400, "po" wrote:

I hate poop laws. Leash laws are okay, but unless someone is getting 20
turds a day in their yard, I think they should just get used to it as being
part of civilization where man and beast live together.

i think it's irresponsible to leave **** on other people's property. it
spreads disease and parasites and people have a right not to have it on
their property if they don't want it there. i would no more leave ****
on someone else's property than i would a bag of trash. then again, i
was taught from a very early age not to litter. there's nothing like
being sent, as a 5yo, out to pick up trash from the neighborhood's
sidewalks and yards to cure you of that.

A little poo here and there isn't something to worry about.

so have your dogs poop in your own yard before taking them on walks.
that way, you can leave it to decompose without bothering your
neighbors.

Leashing in the woods is just another
way people are moving to a dog hating society.

colleges are either state owned or private property. either way, IME,
they are *always* places where it's illegal to have dogs off-leash.

I can see leashing in the city and even the burbs where dogs are territorial
and aggressive, but they're not like that in the woods and certainly it is
asinine and punitive to be making people pick up crap in the forest. Please
someone, start an organization of dog lovers who rebel against these laws
and demand change.

what sort of woods is it? some university wilderness areas are
protected because they are teaching/learning areas. it's important to
them that the wildlife not be disturbed by domestic animals.

Also, people who poison or shoot dogs should be imprisoned. Maybe no death
penalty, but people who kill pets are sickos.

or they're fed up with neighbors who are not responsible for their pets.

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette || http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com

Fear has many eyes and can see things underground.
-- Miguel de Cervantes

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:37:29 -0400 po whittled these words:
I hate poop laws. Leash laws are okay, but unless someone is getting 20

Dog owners who are careless of how their dogs interfree with others are
provide the foundation for anti-dog laws. People should pick up after
their dog because it is the considerate thing to do. People should control
how their dog interacts with other people and dogs because that is the
considerate thing to do. We could eliminate a lot of laws if only people
were cconsiderate of others without the laws.

--
Diane Blackman
http://dog-play.com/
http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm

shelly wrote in
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:37:29 -0400, "po" wrote:

I hate poop laws. Leash laws are okay, but unless someone is getting
20 turds a day in their yard, I think they should just get used to it
as being part of civilization where man and beast live together.

i think it's irresponsible to leave **** on other people's property.
it spreads disease and parasites and people have a right not to have
it on their property if they don't want it there.

Agreed.

I can see leashing in the city and even the burbs where dogs are
territorial and aggressive, but they're not like that in the woods
and certainly it is asinine and punitive to be making people pick up
crap in the forest.

Some areas require a "pack in / pack out" that includes feces. Human
waste, dog waste, horse poop, pretty much anything you brought with or in
you needs to leave when you do.

Carrying a few baggies for the dogs is infinitely less trouble than bagging
up horse manure and lugging it around for miles. So, I figure most poop
laws are quite reasonable.

"po" wrote in
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I hate poop laws. Leash laws are okay, but unless someone is getting
20 turds a day in their yard, I think they should just get used to it
as being part of civilization where man and beast live together.

"When you make a mess, clean it up."

-- Sister Rosalie, Sacred Heart Elementary School Kindergarten, 1971

--
Kate
and Storm and The Puppy to be Named Later, the FCR duo

Do they make the deer carry their poop out too? It's ridiculous. Nature has
a way of breaking down the poo. People are sickly obsessed with their
unnatural lawns and weird flowers. The stuff they spread on lawns isn't good
for the environment. The stuff my dog spreads is a part of nature. People
have become ridiculously paranoid of feces and nature's ability to break it
down. Picking it up with your hands and putting it in your pocket is totally
unnatural and gross.




"Mary Healey" wrote in message
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shelly wrote in
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:37:29 -0400, "po" wrote:

I hate poop laws. Leash laws are okay, but unless someone is getting
20 turds a day in their yard, I think they should just get used to it
as being part of civilization where man and beast live together.

i think it's irresponsible to leave **** on other people's property.
it spreads disease and parasites and people have a right not to have
it on their property if they don't want it there.

Agreed.

I can see leashing in the city and even the burbs where dogs are
territorial and aggressive, but they're not like that in the woods
and certainly it is asinine and punitive to be making people pick up
crap in the forest.

Some areas require a "pack in / pack out" that includes feces. Human
waste, dog waste, horse poop, pretty much anything you brought with or in
you needs to leave when you do.

Carrying a few baggies for the dogs is infinitely less trouble than
bagging
up horse manure and lugging it around for miles. So, I figure most poop
laws are quite reasonable.

In article , po wrote:
Do they make the deer carry their poop out too? It's ridiculous. Nature has
a way of breaking down the poo.

Traffic patterns in public areas are unnatural and
concentrated, and when you've got large numbers of dogs/week
pooping in the same place you've got a problem with both
aesthetics (I think dog poop smells awful) and with
pathogens. Dog poop contains parasites and dangerous
bacteria such as E.coli. "Nature" can deal with dispersed
amounts of it, but not concentrated amounts.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

43% of all private-sector jobs created in the US
from 2001 to April 2005 are housing-related

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:00:28 -0400, "po" wrote:

Do they make the deer carry their poop out too? It's ridiculous. Nature has
a way of breaking down the poo. People are sickly obsessed with their
unnatural lawns and weird flowers.

that may be, but they are *their* unnatural lawns and weird flowers and
they have a right to expect that other people won't leave **** on them.
i'm not the least bit house proud and having a manicured lawn is the
*last* thing on my agenda. however, i'd be pissed off is someone let
their dog **** in my dogs' yard. i have no idea what sorts of parasites
or diseases other people's dogs might have and i think it's unreasonable
for them to expose my dogs to them.

The stuff they spread on lawns isn't good for the environment.

that's another issue entirely.

Picking it up with your hands and putting it in your pocket is totally
unnatural and gross.

the solution is simple. have your dog **** in your own yard.

--
shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette || http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com

L is for Leo who swallowed some tacks.
-- Edward Gorey, The Gashlycrumb Tinies

"po" wrote in
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Do they make the deer carry their poop out too?

The deer's input is local/native, because the deer are local/native. But
when people enter these areas with their pets and transportation, they
generally pack in human food, dog food, horse food, etc. from other areas.

Nature has a way of breaking down the poo.

Except for the stuff that spreads via excrement -- quite a lot of plant
life does so, for example.

...The stuff my dog spreads is a part of nature.

That depends, in part, on what your dog eats. Some commercial dog foods
have so many preservatives that the poop takes longer to break down.

People have become ridiculously paranoid of feces and
nature's ability to break it down. Picking it up with your hands and
putting it in your pocket is totally unnatural and gross.

Tell that to a toddler.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:00:28 -0400, "po" wrote:

Do they make the deer carry their poop out too? It's ridiculous. Nature has
a way of breaking down the poo. People are sickly obsessed with their
unnatural lawns and weird flowers. The stuff they spread on lawns isn't good
for the environment. The stuff my dog spreads is a part of nature. People
have become ridiculously paranoid of feces and nature's ability to break it
down. Picking it up with your hands and putting it in your pocket is totally
unnatural and gross.

Deer are herbivores. Herbivore manure is not the same as carnivore manure.

Carnivore feces, especially dog feces, can carry a number of diseases (e.coli,
salmonella) as well as worms. Other dogs or even human children running barefoot
can become very ill. Even if no one tracks in it, if an area (say a dog park or
any place where there is heavy dog usage) has a large load of canine feces it
can get into groundwater and lead to pollution. This is also a problem with
cattle, but cattle manure is actually safer than dog feces because it isn't
meat-based.

If you don't want to pick up in your own yard that's fine. But I bet you don't
like it much when you step in it. Ever stepped in **** when you're on the way to
an important meeting? Ever tracked it into your car? Had to clean it off your
sneakers? Not terribly fun. So why would you subject others to that?

I use mutt mitts (you can get them quite inexpensively at www.kvvet.com). They
are thick and have a double layer down at the bottom. You simply put your hand
in, pick up the poop in the black bottom part, then reverse the plastic. They
can then go into a fanny pack slung around your back until you find a trash can.
Knot the top of the bag and even on a hot summer day you will have no smell.

Monitoring and cleaning up after your dog is also a great way to check their
overall health.