HOWEDY dh@,

dh@. wrote:
On 11 Jul 2005 08:43:06 -0700, "YourConscience" om wrote:

HOWEDY dh@,

dh@. wrote:
On 10 Jul 2005 15:01:01 -0700, "YourConscience"
om wrote:

HOWEDY dh@,

dh@. wrote:
On 9 Jul 2005 17:04:32 -0700, wrote:

HOWEDY dh@,

dh@. wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:20:15 GMT, "buglady"
wrote:

[...]

Quit crossposting - the dogdog health
NGis not the place for this.

HOWER DOG LOVERS ARE AFRAID TO TALK BUSINESS.

[...]

bugF'nNUTS don't think emotions got no bearin on behavior...

Fully 90% of the veterinary BUSINESS is TREATING
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka iatrogenic
(adj: Induced in a patient by a physician's activity,
manner, or therapy. induced by a physician's words or
therapy used especially of a complication resulting
from treatment, induced inadvertently by a physician
or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic
procedures) and idiopathic (adj: 1. Of or relating to
a disease having no known cause; agnogenic. 2. Of or
relating to a disease that is not the result of any
other disease) aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME {); ~ )

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS when we lock a dog in a box
and ignore his cries and schedule his food water
and activities and intimidate and force CON-TROLL
of normal natural innate instinctive reflexive
behaviors.

So the fools

Them FOOLS are MAKIN A KILLIN off of MISHANDLING
ABUSE and MURDER and LYIN abHOWET it. Ask dra.
deb (fmr. US Army Vet, NHOWE in PRIVATE practice).

She knows ALL abHOWET veterinary CAUSED DIS-EASE
on accHOWENT of THAT'S HER SPECIALTY, bein a dog
abusing mental case.

"FOOLS"??? Naaah.

These DOG ABUSERS MAKE MONEY OFF OF CAUSING DIS-EASE.

Yes.

INDEEDY. OtherWIZE they'd LEARN HOWE to pupperly
handle raise and train a critter and they'd LOSE
90% of their DEATH DEALIN BUSINESS {): ~ (

The Amazing Puppy Wizard CAN suffer FOOLS but CANNOT
suffer LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS or ACTIVE ACUTE LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASE who choke shock bribe crate
intimidate mutilate and murder dogs and try to get HOWET
call THAT, trainin, shelter, and rescue {); ~ )

Let's LOOK at the SAR dogs used in all those FAILED
searches for Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lundren, Chandra
Levy, Laura Hacking, the 12 boy scout (he was in the
same jurisdiction as Elizabeht and Laura) and if the
missing girl in Aruba is ever FHOWEND, probably she
too, will have been OVERLOOKED BY THE SAR DOGS on
accHOWENT of THEY KNOW that AS SOON AS THEY MAKE THEIR
FIND, they GO BACK IN THEIR BOXES and resume regular
trainin... you see, on a SAR site, they CANNOT JERK
CHOKE and SHOCK their SAR dogs on accHOWENT of they're
AFRAID they MIGHT turn the dog OFF to his WORK.

SAME SAME applies to HOWER military and police K-9's.

The problem is LESS obviHOWES with the dogs trained
to search for fruit and drugs by the Department Of
Agriculture, as they DO NOT USE PUNISHMENT TRAINING.

We got bonafide LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who choke shock
bribe crate intimidate mutilate and MURDER innocent
critters and LIE abHOWET it and call it SHELTER and RESCUE.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME Elizbeth Smart and Jessical Lundren
and Chandra Levy and Laura Hacking, that 12 y.o. boy scout
and PROBABLY the missin girl in Aruba was IGNORED by their
SEARCH And RESCUE Dogs {); ~ )

Then we got all that and fools too.

You mean, the citizens who PAY for K-9 services and
private training and veterinary a care.

Some, only FEW, are FOOLS. The rest are here abHOWETS
ONLY to DEFEND their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER dogs and MAKE MONEY OFF OF THEM {); ~ )

Ask sharon too, Mrs. veterinarian and veterinary office
manager. SHE'S SCARED TO DEATH of The Amazing Puppy Wizard
and HIS INFORMATION, dh@. ASK HER, she's READIN THIS POST.

Like ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN and his partner / alter
ego lighteningstrike and most of HOWER RESCUE dog lovers.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAA!!!

FRAUDS LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS AND PROVEN MENTAL CASES.

LIKE THIS:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.

Sounds better than what I'd do.

NHOWE THAT'S FOOLISH thinkin, dh@, but probably
NOT for the REASON you'd THINK {); ~ )

I'd yank it out, spank its ass, and put it back.

Well, you're only doin what you been taught...

And what works to some extent.

Yeah, it WORKS JUST LIKE SEARCHIN FOR Jessica Lundren
and Elizabeth Smart, Chandra Levy, Laura Hacking and
that 12 year old boy.

THOSE WAS ALL EZ TRACKS TO FIND.

ANY UNTRAINED DOG COULDA FOLLOWED THOSE SCENTS,
ESPECIALLY givin the STARTING POINTS in two cases
and and KNOWING WHERE TO SEARCH in the Laura Hacknig
and Chandra Levy cases.

We're bein RAPED by the entire industry.

by the EXXXPERTS who've made life EZier by jerkin
the dog's pronged spiked pinch choke collar on
a long line through the cage or sprayin IT in
the face with aversives or shockin IT with 35
levels of medical grade static like stimulation.

But the line does sound better.

INDEED. THAT'S the FOOLISH part, dh@.

As yet there is no evidence of that.

Ahh? ASK Elizabeth Smart. ASK that 12 y.o. boy.
BOTH COULDN'T BE FHOWEND having WALKED AWAY from
a KNOWN STARTING POINT. ASK Jessica Lundren. Ooops!

YOU CAN'T ASK HER, SHE GOT DEAD on accHOWENT of
SAR DOGS WON'T WORK IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOIN
BACK TO THEIR BOXES and their USUAL JERKING CHOKING
and SHOCKING.

What DIFFERENCE does it make HOWE we HURT
INTIMIDATE and MURDER a innocent dumb critter?

It makes a lot of difference to the animal,

No, it don't. Dumb critters DO NOT RATIONALIZE
and TRY to JUSTIFY HOWE COME THEIR ABUSERS ABUSE
THEM, like HOWE human children do. Human children
DEFEND their ABUSERS JUST LIKE HOWE abused dogs
DEFEND THEIR ABUSERS... till they have the OPPORTUNITY
TO ESCAPE or WATCH their abuser bein abused.

as well as making a difference to the person who
is punishing it.

Naaah. Only the cruel Sadistic mind of a human
being or professional dog trainer or university
trained behaviorist can JUSTIFY HOWE MUCH HURT
and INTIMIDATION is ACCEPTABLE NORMAL and APUPRIATE,
dh@ {); ~ )

ASK professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer or his partner
dr. mark plonsky of UofWI. THEY'RE LYING DOG ABUSIN
MENTAL CASES and they WON'T DEFEND THEMSELVES.

GO AHEAD. If The Amazing Puppy Wizard is WRONG,
HE'D be LIABLE for a case of LIBEL. Certainly
those EXXXPERTS and their university could
DEFEND THEMSELVES if they wasn't GUILTY.

It's ALL the same same same same.

No, it's not nearly all the same.

Oh, INDEED it IS. ALL temperament and behavior
problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not BAD DOGS.

There are huge degrees of differences in the
ways animals can be treated.

"CAN BE" is the operant word, dh@.

We CAN do ANYTHING WE LIKE, like HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER INNOCENT CRITTERS. WE CANNOT LEGITIMATLY
DO EVERYTHING WE LIKE, UNLESS you're a VETERINARY
or DOG TRAINER or CHILD BEHAVIORIST.

And THAT'S HOWE COME dogs attack folks and DIE
from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME {); ~ )

What do you suggest?

Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual:

Forget that for now. I'm not reading through all that

It's ONLY 75 pages but it TEACHES YOU EVERY THING
you got to know to LIVE accordin to Natural Law.

just in case the answer happens to be in there.

Oh, IT'S ALL IN THERE, dh@.

But if it does, why don't you just copy it and include
it in your reply?

Hmmm... PROBLEMO. WON COULD achieve enlightenment standin
on WON foot, but WON PROBABLY WON'T on accHOWENT of HUMAN
DECENCY, MORALS, ETHICS, an PRINCIPLES are sumpthin WON
gotta LEARN, otherWIZE, WON would be a dumb critter, merely
a nekkid ape.

If you don't do that, I will have no choice but to
believe you have nothing better to suggest.

Hmmmm... let's see. TRY THIS:

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of TheScientific
Management Of Doggies.

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )

YOU GET THE CRITTER YOU'VE TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.


"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?
"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.., "
-John Galsworthy.

Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )

Subject: Puppy Advice The Same Same For Kids -

YOU GET THE CRITTER YOU'VE TRAINED

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no
treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine


From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals,
especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no
treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

From: TooCool )

The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training
for years. I have a huge library that covers
every system of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
Training Method is by far the most scientific,
the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
and the most effective training method yet
discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and
tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
Every behavior problem and every obedience
skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please
endeavor to understand the basis of his system
and please follow his directions exactly. His
manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur
and how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his
methods based upon what you personally like or
dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete
and integrated system for not only training a dog
but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system
creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
response was that it produces for your dog the
owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
with you, if you praise your dog every time he
looks at you, then you will become the center
of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
your dog to not misbehave (even in your
absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
it takes just minutes to train you dog to
respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
legs would carry him in response to my recall
command-and he comes running every time I call
no matter where we are or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
response is to oppose you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
person's ideas based upon their personality. As
far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not
effective and that it will certainly lead to
behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
that people put their dogs down because of those
problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
scientific literature it is referred to
allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
to force; they respond in like kind to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as
you would the law of gravity and you will have
astounding success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).

--Larry

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."


To:
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

snip

Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual
history, and the nature of he disorder.

Dr. Von

PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at
Jerry's work,

HERE'S HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual STUDENTS all over
the Whole Wild World DO IT EFFECTIVELY
NEARLY INSTANTLY GENTLY and FOR FREE,
to boot:

"ziggy" wrote in message
om...
"Jerry Howe" wrote in message
news
HOWEDY People,

Well, thanks for taking the time to reply as you
kindly did. Yeah, ok, I think I got to hand it to you
lol So it's back to the manual for a while and I'll
let you know how we get on! I'm still eating my
humble pie so excuse crumbs ~;0)

I really didn't think the rewarding bad behaviour
had a chance in hell but you have proved me wrong......

He was blanking me like crazy the
other day, I lost my rag (Got the flu so on a short
leash myself lol) Gave it a 'Good boy, yeah you
really are!' and he did what I'd been asking him to
do for 5 mins straight away lol Doh!! Tickles me now
when he's up to no good and I say Good Boy, he turns
straight back to my sweety and he doesn't even know
it! It's applied physchology all the way with Dobies
in particular and I know it's often better to turn a
blind eye rather than confront at that particular
time, I've always distracted rather than corrected
at this young age but I'm going your way!!

Thanks all
ziggy
This humble pie tastes nice actually ~;0)
ziggy

INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.

Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.

I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.

After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.

My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.

Hot rats! The device worked,

Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.

A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!

So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.

Merlin walked into my office.

Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.

It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???

I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.

Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.

In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.

This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!

Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.

Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.

Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.

Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.

So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS.

Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who
is the animal?).

The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight
species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been
conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely
subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises,
and whales. "

Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.

Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983

" wrote inmessage
..
This makes me wonder. If the dog taught himself
to get the kid off of it by biting, why can't
you teach it another method. When my dog nipped
to protect my kids, i taught her with
distraction and praise.

What did you teach her to do instead of nipping?

First we used distraction and praise to teach her
biting is not ok. 2 weeks ago we had to seperate
her from the puppy in order to feed them.

She would run over, bite him then take his food.
If he licked the carpet where juice was spilled he
got bitten. just examples. Then during meals, when
she moved toward him we (me, my husband, jerry
and his wife) used sound distraction and praise.

We trained her to stay away from him. Then we
let them get close, when she looked like she was
thinking of biting (snap) good girl! good dog... and
she would let him close. since he advanced to
eating her food she began laying down and allowing
him tot ake over. so we taught her to find his food
and eat his.

Just doing this has taught her to share. If he's too
roudy and the kids aren't inviting.. she will find
her rope and give it to him. if he takes her kong,
she does and finds his and either gets him
to take his own king or simply lets him have his.
we did this by feeding her as much as she wanted,
giving her plenty of toys. we taught her there is
always more.. we broke that instinct of self
preservation. now they share from the same
bowl. not even a growl.

then when she growled because my friends kid went
near her while she was nursing, we put her on lead
just long enough to come 1 foot from the kid. just
in case. we put the kid on the floor in her mum's
lap with the puppy and used distraction and praise
if she seemed upset. then when she went near the kid
in a fashion like she was going to protect
something.. the kids, their food what have you.. we
used praise and distraction. then it progressed to
the other day.. the kid was smacking kelly in the
face. pummeling beyond all belief she has taken
from my own kids.. like if the 23 lb 19 month old
goes to stand on her, kelly will brace herself and
hold still so the baby doesn't fall off. when the
baby stands on her we distract the baby and praise
kelly for waiting. so anyway.. she's being smacked
in the face by the same kid who likes to try and dig
eyeballs out. kelly snarled her lip.. no sound..
just showed her teeth... sound and praise! and she
broke her thought and came over to me. when the
puppy was biting her so hard she cried (pits
dont cry easily) we used sound and praise when she
went to defend herself. then we would go to him and
distract him off. in less than a week she learned
to either a. drag him to me or my husband still
attached and shaking her ear/neck/leg or b. distract
him herself.

she sees us use distraction and gentle
measures and she does them too. when he's trying to
dig a hole she engages him in play. when the
kid is going somewhere she shouldn't.. kelly will
run over to her.. and seperate the kid from say the
kitchen and guide her in another direction. when
the puppy is biting something he shouldn't.. she
finds a kong and offers him the appropriate chewing
method.

Dogs are smart. She only knew to nip or growl or
bite. We taught her gentle ways and she learned
them. Dogs don't want to bite kids or puppies or
people.. but they want results. if they know the
food will never run out.. why should they bite over
food? if they know someone else will distract a
biting pup why would she bite him? all she has to
do is find me and i will do it... why does she need
to nip the lil kid again? she knows i will stop the
kid from hurting her. yes it still requires alot of
supervision, because this kid does in fact hurt her
alot and she is not part of our pack. but that is
part of my responsibility as well. Jerry calls it
allomimetic behaviour.. i think its plain logic. the
dog won't bite if it knows a whimper or cry
will attract help. but if no one else is in
control... as we were not two weeks ago.. the dog
will take matters into its own hands.

And for Donna who asked how safe setting up an
incident is?

it is very safe. If you know the dog will bite the
kid if it goes near its food.. you put the dog on
lead and have someone hold the lead securely. MAKE
SURE the lead will not reach say.. 1.5 feet away
from the food dish. then let the kid go near the
food. the dog couldn't reach if it tried,
and if it did you are right there to priase
distract. It is much more difficult in the OP's
situation since the kid is close enough to bite.
i'll let jerry elaborate on that. and i wouldn't try
that without his advice. but if you know
your dog likes to lunge through the front door at
the mailman.. put the dog on lead and open the door
and use praise/distraction.. the dog won't go
anywhere, but you can set it up to stop the thought.

it's really a common sense thing.

i knew i needed to set up a situation and knew i
couldn't risk a bite.. so i used a freaking leash that
wasn't long enough to reach the lil kid. voila. by the
time the dog realized it wanted to do something
bad.. it forgot it was on lead... and you
distract/praise and break the behaviour before the
dog is mid lunge at the end of the leash.

Amanda
Whose vicious, aggressive, hopeless pit bull who
should be watched carefully walked by a barking dog
who was off lead as it growled at me and heeled
immediately to "protect" but never used more than 1
foot of the lead and didn't bark or growl back.

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Discipline - The "NO!" Command - HOWE Dogs And
Children Learn To Tell You "NO!" And HOWE COME
They RUN HOWET On You

-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM
Subject: Discipline

On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:

funny you bring this up... i met the most wonderful
couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life
who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and distraction
with some family pack exercises.

They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my
two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old
female who is my bubby and our 7 week male pup.
anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression issues
in mere minutes...he and his wife helped me with my kids.

I was and always have been a spanker.

It is all i knew how.. i never, ever wanted to be..
but i was. my house/kids were out of control..
i was always stressed.

Since he and his wife came down sunday we've
had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids
didn't destroy my house before i woke up... my
3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake
up... this is the first time she ever used paper
she usually does walls, furniture.

Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.

I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child and a very
bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
know it There has not been a temper tantrum in two
days in my house.

You guys have no idea how great this is.

But best of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye
or a tone of that is in any way short of absolute praise..
no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY
praise.

They even taught my kids not to take candy unless
i say so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her
ears for candy..

it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my
closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there
and NO ONE has eaten one! My 3 yo is even helping
me pick up the house.. the baby took my lingerie chest
apart.. and she cleaned it up! first time!

They don't even go out the open door without my
offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt
from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen table, sat
down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table
and eat!

We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so
when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you
show me how you sit pretty?? and they ALL hop
down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost
fell over..

thanks for reminding me to share my joy!

I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!

here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!

how old is your bub amanda? waht's the bub doing?/
/,
Hello again ladies,
Amanda, I love your signature. I also do not spank my
daughter, however, she is at an age where she really is
asserting her independence.

Can anyone help with ideas of what I can do? Blessings,
T.

Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda

Can you go into this a little more? How did they
accomplish all this in one day?

My learning is progressive. I email or call him with
questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something
clicked.

How would we do it with our families?

that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college

I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:

Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.

pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.

Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.

Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy

Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
ellicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy
fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute
you pick up the phone?? No.

They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
what they
want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is
controlling you.

Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.

When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.

Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge
problem with them taking things they cant have and when i
wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger..
and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's
mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go
"Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i
gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i
give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter...
and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that???
and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a
cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No.
and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and
say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again
and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have
that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now.

Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
that.

Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!

How would I apply this in those situations? Also, what do
you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
oven, etc.?

Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when
you force control.. with the come command when you want your
dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from
your baby's mouth.. you put value on it.

Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE! it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!

so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch
em up away from falling down... but only when you have to..
then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.

Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch
me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.

I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
tending other kids.

those are my kids. I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz
they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the
obstinate kids.

They're docile kittens compared to C__! This brings up
another question - what do you do when YOUR child is the
bully?

if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract
and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid...
he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts.
odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly
understands its not nice.

C__ is always beating the other boy over the head when he
comes over.
We don't hit in anger in our family

i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else
doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.

(we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
in case it is giving him ideas)

my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing
around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at
the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no
IM gonna beat YOUR a$$ MU HA HA HA" my neighbors prolly
think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too

but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
to sleep for 45 minutes, I get a little rough sometimes.
It's really frustrating. He'll be dead tired - eyes
bright red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.

It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what? they don't grow out of it
until they're parents it's one of those times you have to
use your patience and keep distracting and praising.

So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
him. He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up and
run to the window and start bending the blinds.

he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention. you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not..
no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total
complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!

One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to
work up to the positive only.

So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.

try not to.. but if you have to ok

And we repeat the process over 10000 times.

when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.

Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.

better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath.. try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never,
ever for anything get it back. it's what im using

That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.

He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.

Writing it out, I thought of something. He must have a
lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
and finally crying releases it for him.

no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger,
sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not
because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing
with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em
insecure.

Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?

distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.

Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
work for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
down.

cuzhe knows what you're doing. hold him instead.. or sit him
in your lap on the bed and rock

Putting the sling over his shoulders to prevent that
doesn't work either. He acts like he is being tortured
and screams and fights to get out.

becuase it is forced control.

Katie

Amanda

---------- Forwarded Message ----------

Subject: Discipline
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500
From: Amanda
To:

On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote:

i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one
i'm not the expert.. mr. howe is teaching me.. and im
figuring alot out.. plus its just coming to me.. two months
ago i would cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i go ahead
and live it... like he gave me just enough for my brain to
fill
in the rest?

when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got
crunchy this last year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil
bit of fear in yo' momma is what i would say.. and my family
supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive.

then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase
you guys and others did it wihtout spanking.. better than
me... but i would still say i just have bad kids.. then i
started feeling guilty.. asked for help.. got some advice and
it worked some..but not much.. enought to make me think
i did it.. then it wouldn't help..

then i heard him tell someone on the news group "Do you
think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was like whoa.. now
I feel like cocka and pray every time i distract them that
they
can somehow grow up not to hate me.. and i pray i caught
myself in enough time.

Could you possibly be a little more specific about what
you do? How you implement this? I have spanked, I
look at each time as a failure on my part, either in
communication, or not reading the kids correctly or
in time to head off a meltdown. IT's almost always
been out of frustrtation. It's not something I want to do.
I would really be interested in hearing more about
exactly how this works...
N

--- In Amanda amanda@d... wrote:

On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T wrote:

I was and always have been a spanker. It is all i knew
how.. i never, ever wanted to be.. but i was. my
house/kids were out of control.. i was always stressed.
Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a
HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't destroy
my house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed
coloring waiting for us to wake up... this is the first
time
she ever used paper

she usually does walls, furniture.

Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works. I
have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child and a very
bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and
know it

There has not been a temper tantrum in two days in my
house. You guys have no idea how great this is. But best
of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of
that is in any way short of absolute praise.. no shouting..
not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada..

ONLY praise.

They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say
so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for
candy.. it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet
(where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there and NO
ONE has eaten one!

My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby
took my lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up!
first time! They don't even go out the open door without
my offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt from
the fridge and walked to our kitchen table, sat down and
ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table and eat!

We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so when
they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you show me how
you sit pretty??

and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with
their feet NOT on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded..
i almost fell over.. thanks for reminding me to share my
joy!

I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!

here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!

how old is your bub amanda? waht's the bub doing?

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