Hi all,

I have a 10-month-old male boxer named Bowser, which I rescued from a
puppy mill when he was 7 weeks old. I am planning on having him
neutered soon, but before I do would like very much to breed him just
once. All I would ask is the pick of the litter.

Naturally, I would like to breed him to another boxer, but would be
willing to breed him to a female of another, smaller breed--such as a
Boston Terrier.

I am in the Gadsden, Alabama area. If you know someone who has a
female boxer in this area or someone who has a female they would not
mind mixing with a boxer, please let me know.

Thanks,
Jason

P.S. Please don't judge me too harshly for my willingness to allow
Bowser to mate outside his breed--or even at all. I understand the
importance of controlling pet overpopulation and the desire to keep
breeding lines pure. I would simply like to have another puppy in the
pack which is genetically related to him w/o having to return to that
puppy mill I rescued him from in the first place!

Jason,

Newsflash the dog came from a puppy mill. Just how solid do you think his
genes are? You more than likely have genetic problems along with emotional
ones and if you don't I'd count myself damned lucky to have none to have a
normal dog.

Do the world a favor get your dog fixed and forget about breeding it you are
going to do nothing but bring more unwanted puppies into the world. Also no
reputable breeder would consider breeding with a dog from a puppy mill. If
you really want another dog go adopt one.

Celeste


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Hi all,

I have a 10-month-old male boxer named Bowser, which I rescued from a
puppy mill when he was 7 weeks old. I am planning on having him
neutered soon, but before I do would like very much to breed him just
once. All I would ask is the pick of the litter.

Naturally, I would like to breed him to another boxer, but would be
willing to breed him to a female of another, smaller breed--such as a
Boston Terrier.

I am in the Gadsden, Alabama area. If you know someone who has a
female boxer in this area or someone who has a female they would not
mind mixing with a boxer, please let me know.

Thanks,
Jason

P.S. Please don't judge me too harshly for my willingness to allow
Bowser to mate outside his breed--or even at all. I understand the
importance of controlling pet overpopulation and the desire to keep
breeding lines pure. I would simply like to have another puppy in the
pack which is genetically related to him w/o having to return to that
puppy mill I rescued him from in the first place!

On 4 Sep 2005 00:35:48 -0700 whittled these words:
I have a 10-month-old male boxer named Bowser, which I rescued from a
puppy mill when he was 7 weeks old. I am planning on having him
neutered soon, but before I do would like very much to breed him just
once. All I would ask is the pick of the litter.

Jason, of course you love your dog. We all want to see our dogs go on and
live forever. But sometimes we have to think beyond our personal needs
and wants and consider also those who will be affected by our decisions.

Look you knew your proposal was going to cause a reaction. It is time to
open your heart and be willing to listen to, and investigate as to why
there is that reaction. I don't expect you to agree right away. I just
ask that you read everything. Honestly consider not just the puppy you
choose to keep, but the futures of those you don't. Your suggestion is
born from the love of your dog, not from an evil heart, but good
intentions alone will not help the sons and daughters of your beloved dog.
You need knowledge. You need to understand the depth of the problem.

What bad thing will happen if you take the time to learn?

Go down to your local shelter. Look at the dogs. Most of those came from
"just once" breedings. That is because the "just once breeder" doesn't
know how difficult it is to find a puppy a truly permanent home. They
think that sincerity, and good intentions, and love of their own dog are
enough. But 63% of dogs are given up before the age of two. Most of
those will die in the shelter - big breeds die at a higher rate than
smaller breeds. Most dogs in the shelter are under 2 years old. So - are
you ready to accept the fact that you will have a direct hand in creating
dogs to die?

If you do not wish to create dogs to die, what steps are you willing to
take to prevent it? Are you ready to personally house, care for, and
rehome each of the puppies as the original people who took them decide to
give them up? Are you ready, willing and able to keep in regular contact
with these people to give them advice, support and guidence to reduce the
risks that will happen? Are you willing to accept the financial burden if
the poor gentics from your dog's background cause or contribute to the
creation of deaf or crippled dogs? A little more than 10% of boxers have
hip dysplasia. Your dog may even have it, he is too young to properly
evaluated for the disease (he needs to be at least 2). Do you feel any
responsibilty for whether your choices contribute to the increase or
decrease of that problem? More important than the hip problems, are the
heart problems. As one of the two parties in control as to whether a new
life is created your choices dictate whether you contribute to the spread
of cardiomyopathy in the boxer, or whether you are working to reduce its
risks? Ever have a fun happy dog you love suddenly drop dead before its
second birthday? Well I have, and heart disease was the killer. Sure you
want a puppy out of your dog. That is normal enough. But the cost isn't
just money. It is the lives of the other puppies. Are you willing to
take some time to learn about inheritence and canine genetics? Do you
have enough information on your dog's background to make use of that
information?

What concerns do you have over the fate of the puppies you do not keep?
Any? Because you should know that in most statistics show that many if
not most of the litter will be dead before the age of two.

Wheter I will judge you harshly or not remains to be seen. The question
will be answered by the sincerity with which you decide how you will avoid
creating more dogs to die.


--
Diane Blackman

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while preaching with violent words.

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Hi Celeste,

First of all, I can honestly say that I expected this kind of
reaction. I know what a puppy mill is... and what a backyard breeder
is as well. I don't like them anymore than you do. However:

1) I come from a family of dog lovers, and many of my friends are as
well... in fact, most of them sing the praises of mixed breed dogs and
are known for taking in new dogs whenever they get the chance. I would
NOT even THINK about this if I was not sure that each and every puppy
produced would find a loving home.

2)I love animals. I also have 3 cats! I would willingly go to the
humane society or to a reputable breeder if I had the funds to do so.
Unfortunately, at the moment, I can afford to feed and care for
another dog, but not to BUY one. Bowser rarely gets to interact with
other dogs, and needs a canine companion.

So, you see, I'm not being selfish or uncaring here. I am actually
thinking more for him than myself!

Jason

wrote:

I know what a puppy mill is... and what a backyard breeder
is as well. I don't like them anymore than you do.

???? If you don't like backyard breeders, why do you want to
be one?

Dianne

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1) I come from a family of dog lovers, and many of my friends are as
well... in fact, most of them sing the praises of mixed breed dogs and
are known for taking in new dogs whenever they get the chance. I would
NOT even THINK about this if I was not sure that each and every puppy
produced would find a loving home.

Most of the dogs being killed in shelters HAD homes. Finding homes for
puppies is much less a problem than the puppy KEEPING the home. You have
to have the willingness and the ability to stand behind these words and
actually take responsibilty for these lives you create. Merely thinking
you are going to find good homes is a far different thing than honestly
committing to the safety and well being of the dogs you created. That
means not just placing a puppy and thinking you done good. It means
keeping in touch regularly to PREVENT problems that will cause the dog to
be dumped. And it means being both willing and finanacially able to take
in that18 month old dog rather than see it dumped in a shelter.

2)I love animals. I also have 3 cats! I would willingly go to the
humane society or to a reputable breeder if I had the funds to do so.
Unfortunately, at the moment, I can afford to feed and care for
another dog, but not to BUY one. Bowser rarely gets to interact with
other dogs, and needs a canine companion.

Instead of obtaining a dog take your dog out and meet up with others for
play sessions. It is cheaper and healthier.

If you can't afford to BUY a dog you darned sure can't afford to BREED
one. Who is going to pay for the brucellosis testing? What happens if
your dog becomes infected from the bitch, what happens if your dog
infects the bitch. It CAN be present from birth. Who is going to
pay for the vet bills for pre-natal checks. Have you looked at the costs
of a C-section which is VERY common in the breed? And if the bitch dies -
who picks up the costs of hand raising the puppies. When the eight or ten
puppies are born who is going to pay the innoculation costs?

So, you see, I'm not being selfish or uncaring here. I am actually
thinking more for him than myself!

You might possibly be thinking in some small way about your dog, but you
aren't at all thinking clearly about the other puppies. If all you want is
a cheap companion for your dog there are many smarter and cheaper ways to
do that then creating 8 to 10 new lives for you to take responsibility
for.

You really need to get a look at that pile of dead dogs at your local
animal shelter. Do you really think the people that created them thought
they would end up there? Of course not. They were mostly created by
people just like you, who have some fantasy notion about puppies going to
terrific new homes and living long and happy lives. Sorry, to protect
the lives of the puppies you create will take lots of time, and yes, a
fair bit of money.

There is a reason we kill millions of dogs every year. It is time you got
more honestly acquainted with why that is. Before you breed your dog
commit yourself to volunteering at your local shelter.

--
Diane Blackman

There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.

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On 5 Sep 2005 20:43:51 -0700 whittled these words:

On you web site you say ou like to think and you like to read. OK - great.
Then go to your local library. Take out at least two books on canine
genetics, and two on breeding and whelping. Read them. Then do some
research on shelter statistics, why animals are given up, what factors
increase the risks, and which factors reduce the risks.

You really need to talk to people who have ended up with dogs who have
been crippled or died because the breeder didn't know what they didn't
know. RTFM

--
Diane Blackman

There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.

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Jason,

I love dogs and have always had one but I'm realistic and the first thing I
do when I take them in for their first checkup is schedule to have them
fixed.

I had a beautiful lab/husky mix and had tons of people ask will you breed
him they always seemed disappointed when I told them he was fixed. I always
tried to explain there are just too many unwanted puppies in the world to
add any more. Even though Barney was gorgeous he had many problems due to
back yard breeding. Both of Barneys knees had luxating patella's which lead
to extensive costly surgery starting at the age of 6 and due to the problems
he had severe arthritis later in life. All of which could have been
prevented if people would be responsible. Add on top of that the mast cell
cancer that we fought for the last 6 years of his life. At no time was he
in pain I made sure of that and I spared no expense when it came to Barney
but many people don't look at dogs and cats as a life time commitment. Once
the fun wares off or they become and expense they dump them off at shelters.
Are you really ready to take on that kind of responsibility.

If you can't afford to buy a dog you can't afford to get another one.

It's not just food & shelter it's medical care to. Hopefully emergencies
never arise for you but all too often they do. I have had to fork out my
cash at up to 1500.00 a clip for multiple surgeries not just for Barney but
for my other pets. In all total over Barneys 12 years I probably spent well
over 6000.00 and I have a cat who I've probably spent close to 1500.00 for
in the last 6 years. Do you have that kind of cash or available credit at
hand if you should need it in an emergency? You have to think in the long
term picture and overall cost. Some where I read the average cost of a dog
in a years time is close to $400.00 and that's just food & routine vet
care!!!!!!!!!!!!

Celeste

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On 4 Sep 2005 00:35:48 -0700
whittled these words:
I have a 10-month-old male boxer named Bowser, which I rescued from a
puppy mill when he was 7 weeks old. I am planning on having him
neutered soon, but before I do would like very much to breed him just
once. All I would ask is the pick of the litter.

Jason, of course you love your dog. We all want to see our dogs go on and
live forever. But sometimes we have to think beyond our personal needs
and wants and consider also those who will be affected by our decisions.

Look you knew your proposal was going to cause a reaction. It is time to
open your heart and be willing to listen to, and investigate as to why
there is that reaction. I don't expect you to agree right away. I just
ask that you read everything. Honestly consider not just the puppy you
choose to keep, but the futures of those you don't. Your suggestion is
born from the love of your dog, not from an evil heart, but good
intentions alone will not help the sons and daughters of your beloved dog.
You need knowledge. You need to understand the depth of the problem.

What bad thing will happen if you take the time to learn?

Go down to your local shelter. Look at the dogs. Most of those came from
"just once" breedings. That is because the "just once breeder" doesn't
know how difficult it is to find a puppy a truly permanent home. They
think that sincerity, and good intentions, and love of their own dog are
enough. But 63% of dogs are given up before the age of two. Most of
those will die in the shelter - big breeds die at a higher rate than
smaller breeds. Most dogs in the shelter are under 2 years old. So - are
you ready to accept the fact that you will have a direct hand in creating
dogs to die?

If you do not wish to create dogs to die, what steps are you willing to
take to prevent it? Are you ready to personally house, care for, and
rehome each of the puppies as the original people who took them decide to
give them up? Are you ready, willing and able to keep in regular contact
with these people to give them advice, support and guidence to reduce the
risks that will happen? Are you willing to accept the financial burden if
the poor gentics from your dog's background cause or contribute to the
creation of deaf or crippled dogs? A little more than 10% of boxers have
hip dysplasia. Your dog may even have it, he is too young to properly
evaluated for the disease (he needs to be at least 2). Do you feel any
responsibilty for whether your choices contribute to the increase or
decrease of that problem? More important than the hip problems, are the
heart problems. As one of the two parties in control as to whether a new
life is created your choices dictate whether you contribute to the spread
of cardiomyopathy in the boxer, or whether you are working to reduce its
risks? Ever have a fun happy dog you love suddenly drop dead before its
second birthday? Well I have, and heart disease was the killer. Sure you
want a puppy out of your dog. That is normal enough. But the cost isn't
just money. It is the lives of the other puppies. Are you willing to
take some time to learn about inheritence and canine genetics? Do you
have enough information on your dog's background to make use of that
information?

What concerns do you have over the fate of the puppies you do not keep?
Any? Because you should know that in most statistics show that many if
not most of the litter will be dead before the age of two.

Wheter I will judge you harshly or not remains to be seen. The question
will be answered by the sincerity with which you decide how you will avoid
creating more dogs to die.


--
Diane Blackman

There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.

http://dog-play.com/
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