On 18 Sep 2005 21:24:26 -0700 whittled these words:
This training is exactly as advertised - in it's goals. The trainer is
the real deal. But remember that any dog only performs as well as his
handler. So this training program can give you consistent high
performance only so long as you consistently work to that level with
your dog yourself.

That's the way I read it.

--
Diane Blackman

There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.

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But part of the equation is whether the person WILL do what it takes to
achieve the goal. I noted that they are broad spectrum in their selection
of tools. Some people will decide they would rather forgo the control
than use some tools.

I didn't see anything on the site that felt like promising more than COULD
be delivered, but I'm reasonably certain that some percentage of clients
wouldn't take the steps to achieve the goal.


I work with Maui on his obedience everyday for short periods of time as well
as throughout the day when appropriate. I am trying to find the right
training tools to make the time I do use more effective without having to
add hours a day for obedience and training.

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This training is exactly as advertised - in it's goals. The trainer is
the real deal. But remember that any dog only performs as well as his
handler. So this training program can give you consistent high
performance only so long as you consistently work to that level with
your dog yourself.


I am definately willing to work with Maui but not for hours and hours a day.
I will work at it each day though.

Too good to be true? Why? I'm betting they make use of e-collars as
a big part of their training, and nothing is wrong with that. But I
am also doubting you would be comfortable with it or that you are
someone who works hard enough to do without. Just from your posts
here, but your compliance with the homework is crucial to the promise
of obedience.



First of all, can you even use an e-collar on a toy breed dog like Maui (who
weighs 7 or so pounds). And yes, you are right, I am not comfortable with
e-collars. I am thinking that if I get a real good trainer, I will be able
to get the best tools with some hands-on help on how to use those tools and
that will be enough. In my previous puppy class, the trainer gave us a
"homework sheet" that listed what we needed to work on. I almost always
spent the week working on them. The reason I say almost is because I never
baked Maui real liver or used a long lead to tie him out when he went to the
bathroom so that I could practice his recall. I have since tried to do that
but Maui refused to leave the porch when he is tethered. I am not sure if
he doesn't realize he has huge slack and can roam (the rope is over 50 feet
long) or what, but he doesn't leave the porch. I have tried going out with
him in the yard and he will follow me but not go to the bathroom. I haven't
given up and will continue to work on it. In the house though, he is now at
about 90-95% recall with the command "come" and outside he is getting better
too so I am really happy about that.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:00:01 -0400 MauiJNP whittled these words:

Too good to be true? Why? I'm betting they make use of e-collars as
a big part of their training, and nothing is wrong with that. But I
am also doubting you would be comfortable with it or that you are
someone who works hard enough to do without. Just from your posts
here, but your compliance with the homework is crucial to the promise
of obedience.



First of all, can you even use an e-collar on a toy breed dog like Maui (who
weighs 7 or so pounds).

Yes, you can.

And yes, you are right, I am not comfortable with
e-collars.

And you should be able to accomplish everything you want without one.

I am thinking that if I get a real good trainer, I will be able
to get the best tools with some hands-on help on how to use those tools and
that will be enough.

Yes.

In my previous puppy class, the trainer gave us a
"homework sheet" that listed what we needed to work on. I almost always
spent the week working on them. The reason I say almost is because I never
baked Maui real liver or used a long lead to tie him out when he went to the
bathroom so that I could practice his recall. I have since tried to do that
but Maui refused to leave the porch when he is tethered. I am not sure if
he doesn't realize he has huge slack and can roam (the rope is over 50 feet
long) or what, but he doesn't leave the porch. I have tried going out with
him in the yard and he will follow me but not go to the bathroom. I haven't
given up and will continue to work on it. In the house though, he is now at
about 90-95% recall with the command "come" and outside he is getting better
too so I am really happy about that.

Here is what I would suggest. See if there is a dog training club in your
area. I think you will find there an environment where you can get some
mentoring and meet some people who share your view of dogs.

--
Diane Blackman
There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.
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