I want to take some more dog classes with Maui so that I can work on the
skills that he is still lacking, mostly outside recalls and some working
through distractions. I found this place on the web and it sounds great.
But is it too good to be true? I've emailed and called for more info but I
was wondering if anyone has any opinions about it. The trainer sounds like
he has a lot of experience. I guess I would do the two classes, basic
obedience and off leash obedience. The main doubts I have about this
program is that is sounds too good to be true and it also the cost is high.
So, if anyone wants to check it out and throw their opinions in, please do.
Thanks.

http://www.consummatek-9training.com/default.php

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:27:22 -0400 MauiJNP whittled these words:
The main doubts I have about this
program is that is sounds too good to be true and it also the cost is high.
So, if anyone wants to check it out and throw their opinions in, please do.

http://www.consummatek-9training.com/default.php

Be more specific. What part sounds too good to be true?

--
Diane Blackman

There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.

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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:27:22 -0400 MauiJNP whittled
these words:
The main doubts I have about this
program is that is sounds too good to be true and it also the cost is
high.
So, if anyone wants to check it out and throw their opinions in, please
do.

http://www.consummatek-9training.com/default.php

Be more specific. What part sounds too good to be true?

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Under Basic Obedience class it says "gain true control of your pet under
distracting conditions" and under Off Leash Obedience is says "absolute
off-leash control of your dog in any situation or environment we will show
you how to do it quickly and effectively".

With words like "true control" and "absolute control in any situation", it
sounds like a guarantee that this class is no fail but there isn't actually
a money back guarantee or something like that that shows they trully stand
behind their classes.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:38:35 -0400, MauiJNP wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:27:22 -0400 MauiJNP whittled
these words:
The main doubts I have about this
program is that is sounds too good to be true and it also the cost is
high.
So, if anyone wants to check it out and throw their opinions in, please
do.

http://www.consummatek-9training.com/default.php

Be more specific. What part sounds too good to be true?

Under Basic Obedience class it says "gain true control of your pet under
distracting conditions" and under Off Leash Obedience is says "absolute
off-leash control of your dog in any situation or environment we will show
you how to do it quickly and effectively".

With words like "true control" and "absolute control in any situation", it
sounds like a guarantee that this class is no fail but there isn't actually
a money back guarantee or something like that that shows they trully stand
behind their classes.

The gun dog trainers aspire to that, and come very close to achieving it.

I've often wished more obedience trainers would watch what the gun dog
trainers have accomplished. They manage greater control, over longer
distances, under more distracting conditions, for far longer periods of
time, than you'll ever see tested in an obedience ring.

--
It is one of the greatest weaknesses of our time that we lack the
patience and faith to build up voluntary organizations for purposes
which we value highly, and immediately ask the government to bring about
by coercion (or with means raised by coercion) anything that appears as
desirable to large numbers. Yet nothing can have a more deadening effect
on real participation by the citizens than if government, instead of
merely providing the essential framework of spontaneous growth, becomes
monolithic and takes charge of the provision for all needs, which can
be provided for only by the common effort of many.
-- Friedrich Hayek

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:38:35 -0400 MauiJNP whittled these words:
Under Basic Obedience class it says "gain true control of your pet under
distracting conditions" and under Off Leash Obedience is says "absolute
off-leash control of your dog in any situation or environment we will show
you how to do it quickly and effectively".

With words like "true control" and "absolute control in any situation", it
sounds like a guarantee that this class is no fail but there isn't actually
a money back guarantee or something like that that shows they trully stand
behind their classes.

Yes - a bit of advertsing puffery. However, depending upon the dog, I
could expect to get close. You have a poodle, right? You should be able
to achieve substantial off leash reliabilty with distractions IF your dog
is of stable temperament. You should be able to achieve that with most of
the working dog breeds, most herding breeds, most of the gun dogs, and a
few others. I wouldn't expect it of a greyhound or most of the other
sighthounds. Probably not most of the scent hounds and nordic breeds.
But part of the equation is whether the person WILL do what it takes to
achieve the goal. I noted that they are broad spectrum in their selection
of tools. Some people will decide they would rather forgo the control
than use some tools.


I didn't see anything on the site that felt like promising more than COULD
be delivered, but I'm reasonably certain that some percentage of clients
wouldn't take the steps to achieve the goal.

--
Diane Blackman

There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.

http://dog-play.com/
http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:52:54 +0000, TOTE wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:38:35 -0400 MauiJNP whittled these words:

With words like "true control" and "absolute control in any situation", it
sounds like a guarantee that this class is no fail but there isn't actually
a money back guarantee or something like that that shows they trully stand
behind their classes.

Yes - a bit of advertsing puffery. However, depending upon the dog, I
could expect to get close. You have a poodle, right? You should be able
to achieve substantial off leash reliabilty with distractions IF your dog
is of stable temperament. You should be able to achieve that with most of
the working dog breeds, most herding breeds, most of the gun dogs, and a

And the terriers?

--
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that worked ...A complex system designed from scratch never
works and cannot be patched up to make it work. You have to start over,
beginning with a working simple system.
-- Grady Booch

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:19:04 -0500 Jeff Dege whittled these words:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:52:54 +0000, TOTE wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:38:35 -0400 MauiJNP whittled these words:

With words like "true control" and "absolute control in any situation", it
sounds like a guarantee that this class is no fail but there isn't actually
a money back guarantee or something like that that shows they trully stand
behind their classes.

Yes - a bit of advertsing puffery. However, depending upon the dog, I
could expect to get close. You have a poodle, right? You should be able
to achieve substantial off leash reliabilty with distractions IF your dog
is of stable temperament. You should be able to achieve that with most of
the working dog breeds, most herding breeds, most of the gun dogs, and a

And the terriers?

Terriers are fairly variable - I have no broad brush with which to paint.
But if I did - reliability in the face of temptation isn/t a high
expectation. It really comes down to how the dog was intended to work (or
not) with humans. Some were bred to work on their own - sighthounds,
scenthounds and terriers are in general in that group. Herding dogs, gun
dogs and working dogs are designed to work in concert with their humans.
It is all a huge generalization of course. There are exceptions within
breeds and within groups. The Airedale, for example, includes a history of
being used in police work and thus I would expect something closer to a
working dog than the Jack Russell Terrier, which in my mind is the very
essence of terrier. With the JRT training is negotiation, ferget about
dictatorship. The Greyhound in contrast isn't intending to disobey, as
such, it is just that the events of the moment tend to drive thoughts of
the human out of the brain. More obliviousness than disobedience, which
is one reason why it is so darned hard to get past.

--
Diane Blackman
There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.
http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm

This training is exactly as advertised - in it's goals. The trainer is
the real deal. But remember that any dog only performs as well as his
handler. So this training program can give you consistent high
performance only so long as you consistently work to that level with
your dog yourself.

This training is exactly as advertised - in it's goals. The trainer is
the real deal. But remember that any dog only performs as well as his
handler. So this training program can give you consistent high
performance only so long as you consistently work to that level with
your dog yourself.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:27:22 -0400, "MauiJNP" ,
clicked their heels and said:

I want to take some more dog classes with Maui so that I can work on the
skills that he is still lacking, mostly outside recalls and some working
through distractions. I found this place on the web and it sounds great.
But is it too good to be true? I've emailed and called for more info but I
was wondering if anyone has any opinions about it. The trainer sounds like
he has a lot of experience. I guess I would do the two classes, basic
obedience and off leash obedience. The main doubts I have about this
program is that is sounds too good to be true and it also the cost is high.
So, if anyone wants to check it out and throw their opinions in, please do.
Thanks.

http://www.consummatek-9training.com/default.php

Too good to be true? Why? I'm betting they make use of e-collars as
a big part of their training, and nothing is wrong with that. But I
am also doubting you would be comfortable with it or that you are
someone who works hard enough to do without. Just from your posts
here, but your compliance with the homework is crucial to the promise
of obedience.



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Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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