I've been absent from this group due to an unfortunate avalanche of
personal issues, but from the tone of responses, I take it I'm not
welcome.

Yes, I'm trying to put together a website for dogs. Yes, I came here
asking for help because I thought it would be a good idea. I love my
dog, it's an amazing experience having her. I've learned a lot and am
eager to share my experiences. So were a few others within our small
community. What we thought would be a neat idea snowballed into a
bigger deal than I originally anticipated. I'm no dog expert, so I
wanted to make some connections with those who are who wouldn't mind
enlightening those of us who would like to be better, more responsible
owners and breeders.

I tried to be as friendly, open-minded, and courteous as I could in my
intial posts. I'm a regular in a few other non-related groups, and
have great respect for the regulars there, who have been more than
helpful whenever I had a question or concern to adress. Apparently,
around here, I've got to fart in the right key in order to gain any
brownie points in these here parts.

No, I didn't read the FAQ on the way in. Yes, I'm promoting a project
I'd like some help with. I didn't innundate the group with porn links
or try to get anyone to buy anything.

I'm truly sorry for polluting "your" group with my vile postings.
Based on the volume of helpful replies to others, I honestly thought
that this would be the best place to go for help. But the reaction of
this group takes me back to the summer of my junior year in high
school, where I tried to put together an outreach program in the local
projects. I wanted to encourage future minority students to my school
to be more intrigued by computers, rather than put-off, especially
since I was the only black student enrolled since the class' inception
a few years before. I was ostricized in the local paper by our own
mayor, for not being a certified instructor, I had parents pull their
kids because, for some reason, it was better for the kids to hang out
in the streets doing nothing than to be spending time after school
getting familiar with Carmen San Diego, Reader Rabbit, and Mavis
Beacon. When my own paychecks weren't enough to float my largely
unsponsored summer program (special thanks to the local DuPont plant
for supplying enough obsolete equipment to piece together two working
Apple IIs as well as donating software, and my best friend for driving
three hours one-way to a guy who volunteered to repair them for free
when needed, and my boss at Pizza City for allowing me to order a few
pies at cost to help draw the kids in), I went to what I thought was
an obvious choice for help and support - my high school's computer
department and my school's district office. Once again, I was dragged
through the local paper for coming by the district office to ask
questions rather than submitting a formal request at district meetings,
for looking in a classroom full of rich white kids and unfairly
declaring a racial bias. The district took the stand that since the
majority of the black students in that neighborhood didn't actually own
computers, it seemed rediculous to encourage them to enroll in the
classes. Rather than point me in the right direction, the
powers-that-be labeled me the village idiot and scoffed at my vain
efforts to address an issue within my community. Despite the
embarassment to my family and the stonewall resistance from anyone who
had the capacity to help, minority enrollment in the contemporary
courses jumped to 25% the following year, and currently reflects the
cultural dynamics of the entire student body.

And, a decade later, I live in a community full of ignorance and
mythology. I try to combine something I'm good at with something I
feel dearly about, and again, I'm labeled the village idiot and scoffed
at. I'm surrounded by very young and impressionable owners of pitbulls
who lack any appreciation for the beautiful creatures that they either
intentionally or unknowingly mistreat. I get swamped by questions I'm
not the expert to answer. I have a mailman who won't deliver my mail
because he was recently attacked by one of those owner's pits down the
street. I own a beautiful tan & white AmStaffy that everyone falls in
love with, once they get to know her. I met a kid who breeds pits who
thinks I'm ruining mine because I don't kick the **** out of her every
day to establish my dominance. Honestly, I owned a few mutts out in
the country, where I treated them more like hired hands than man's best
friend. If it hadn't been my experience with Brandy, I would've
probably never established any personal respect and affection for
canines of any type. Why wouldn't I want to try to fill a need within
my community? Why should I be afraid to ask for help when I know I'm
in over my head?

I will look at other avenues for assistance. I understand that there
are rules to follow in any group or organization one wishes to
participate in. It's just scary to know that the groups that are
probably more damaging to the cause are much more eager to participate
than the the ones who I thought would set a good example. I've got
underground breeders willing to pay cash to show off their best
monsters while I get chastised by compassionate dog owners who actually
know what they're talking about.

I know this tirade is long, but I'm just frustrated by the direction
that my efforts are trying to take me.

--
----

"Chanzilla" wrote in message
...
I've been absent from this group due to an unfortunate avalanche of
personal issues, but from the tone of responses, I take it I'm not
welcome.

Yes, I'm trying to put together a website for dogs. Yes, I came here
asking for help because I thought it would be a good idea. I love my
dog, it's an amazing experience having her. I've learned a lot and am
eager to share my experiences. So were a few others within our small
community. What we thought would be a neat idea snowballed into a
bigger deal than I originally anticipated. I'm no dog expert, so I
wanted to make some connections with those who are who wouldn't mind
enlightening those of us who would like to be better, more responsible
owners and breeders.

There are some people who have left the group who told me in private email
that if you aren't a member of the r.p.d.b Gay Girl Gang, you might be SOL
as far as being treated decently in here.

Just FWIW.

flick 100785


I tried to be as friendly, open-minded, and courteous as I could in my
intial posts. I'm a regular in a few other non-related groups, and
have great respect for the regulars there, who have been more than
helpful whenever I had a question or concern to adress. Apparently,
around here, I've got to fart in the right key in order to gain any
brownie points in these here parts.

No, I didn't read the FAQ on the way in. Yes, I'm promoting a project
I'd like some help with. I didn't innundate the group with porn links
or try to get anyone to buy anything.

I'm truly sorry for polluting "your" group with my vile postings.
Based on the volume of helpful replies to others, I honestly thought
that this would be the best place to go for help. But the reaction of
this group takes me back to the summer of my junior year in high
school, where I tried to put together an outreach program in the local
projects. I wanted to encourage future minority students to my school
to be more intrigued by computers, rather than put-off, especially
since I was the only black student enrolled since the class' inception
a few years before. I was ostricized in the local paper by our own
mayor, for not being a certified instructor, I had parents pull their
kids because, for some reason, it was better for the kids to hang out
in the streets doing nothing than to be spending time after school
getting familiar with Carmen San Diego, Reader Rabbit, and Mavis
Beacon. When my own paychecks weren't enough to float my largely
unsponsored summer program (special thanks to the local DuPont plant
for supplying enough obsolete equipment to piece together two working
Apple IIs as well as donating software, and my best friend for driving
three hours one-way to a guy who volunteered to repair them for free
when needed, and my boss at Pizza City for allowing me to order a few
pies at cost to help draw the kids in), I went to what I thought was
an obvious choice for help and support - my high school's computer
department and my school's district office. Once again, I was dragged
through the local paper for coming by the district office to ask
questions rather than submitting a formal request at district meetings,
for looking in a classroom full of rich white kids and unfairly
declaring a racial bias. The district took the stand that since the
majority of the black students in that neighborhood didn't actually own
computers, it seemed rediculous to encourage them to enroll in the
classes. Rather than point me in the right direction, the
powers-that-be labeled me the village idiot and scoffed at my vain
efforts to address an issue within my community. Despite the
embarassment to my family and the stonewall resistance from anyone who
had the capacity to help, minority enrollment in the contemporary
courses jumped to 25% the following year, and currently reflects the
cultural dynamics of the entire student body.

And, a decade later, I live in a community full of ignorance and
mythology. I try to combine something I'm good at with something I
feel dearly about, and again, I'm labeled the village idiot and scoffed
at. I'm surrounded by very young and impressionable owners of pitbulls
who lack any appreciation for the beautiful creatures that they either
intentionally or unknowingly mistreat. I get swamped by questions I'm
not the expert to answer. I have a mailman who won't deliver my mail
because he was recently attacked by one of those owner's pits down the
street. I own a beautiful tan & white AmStaffy that everyone falls in
love with, once they get to know her. I met a kid who breeds pits who
thinks I'm ruining mine because I don't kick the **** out of her every
day to establish my dominance. Honestly, I owned a few mutts out in
the country, where I treated them more like hired hands than man's best
friend. If it hadn't been my experience with Brandy, I would've
probably never established any personal respect and affection for
canines of any type. Why wouldn't I want to try to fill a need within
my community? Why should I be afraid to ask for help when I know I'm
in over my head?

I will look at other avenues for assistance. I understand that there
are rules to follow in any group or organization one wishes to
participate in. It's just scary to know that the groups that are
probably more damaging to the cause are much more eager to participate
than the the ones who I thought would set a good example. I've got
underground breeders willing to pay cash to show off their best
monsters while I get chastised by compassionate dog owners who actually
know what they're talking about.

I know this tirade is long, but I'm just frustrated by the direction
that my efforts are trying to take me.

--
----

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:26:10 GMT Chanzilla whittled these words:
I've been absent from this group due to an unfortunate avalanche of
personal issues, but from the tone of responses, I take it I'm not
welcome.

snip

I know this tirade is long, but I'm just frustrated by the direction
that my efforts are trying to take me.

Maybe you could write concisely
1. when did you post
2. what was the subject line
3. what was the nature of the objection?

You post without any context at all.

--
Diane Blackman
There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
while preaching with violent words.
http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplayshops.com/

wrote in :

Maybe you could write concisely
1. when did you post
2. what was the subject line
3. what was the nature of the objection?

You post without any context at all.


Message-ID:

On July 25th, subject was www.SacBreeds.com

As for the objections, I didn't see any in that thread. There were some
people acting silly, but no objections. A Robin made a response to another
posting s/he made on July 25th, but that response wasn't particularly
negative at all and went off on a slight tangent.

I am not discounting the possibility that postings she made buried in a
thread somewhere might have gotten some negative responses, but I didn't go
that deep. ANother possibility is that she got a lot of responses from
Jerry which picked up a lot of excess baggage due to crossposting...

--
Marcel and Moogli
http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/

"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
. ..

snipped

ANother possibility is that she got a lot of responses from
Jerry which picked up a lot of excess baggage due to crossposting...

Very good possibility, IMO.

flick 100785

flick" wrote in message
...

There are some people who have left the group who told me in private email
that if you aren't a member of the r.p.d.b Gay Girl Gang, you might be SOL
as far as being treated decently in here.

Just FWIW.

You can buy an associate membership without having to fully initiate
yourself into the gang. It was a more economical solution for me.

Seriously, what girl gang and why the gay slur? The women on these ngs
fight amongst themselves all the time and what, exactly, in anyone's words
or deeds implies lesbianism?

--
Tara

on 2005-09-23 at 12:13 wrote:

You can buy an associate membership without having to fully
initiate yourself into the gang. It was a more economical
solution for me.

TINC

Seriously, what girl gang and why the gay slur?

because Flick and Diddy can't imagine anything worse than
gasp being gay.

The women on these ngs fight amongst themselves all the time
and what, exactly, in anyone's words or deeds implies
lesbianism?

as far as i can recollect, only one current rpd regular has
claimed to be lesbian. she's also claimed to be a big, blonde
Valkyrie, so i'm not sure she should necessarily be believed.

--
shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/

on 2005-09-23 at 10:26 wrote:

I've been absent from this group due to an unfortunate
avalanche of personal issues, but from the tone of responses,
I take it I'm not welcome.

what responses? the only posts i recall from you were one in
which you claimed to slap your dog on the ass while
housebreaking it and a handful of completely incomprehensible
ones about a website you were working on. you were asked to
explain yourself more clearly, but as far as i can tell, never
did.

if you want people from this newsgroup to help you, i would
recommend that you *clearly* describe your website's purpose
and goals and what sort of help you want. "i'm starting a
website and i'd like some help" is way too vague.

--
shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net
http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/

flick wrote:


There are some people who have left the group who told me in private email
that if you aren't a member of the r.p.d.b Gay Girl Gang, you might be SOL
as far as being treated decently in here.


Good thing, since I don't know any members of any Gay Girl Gang

(so says the hetero woman who doesn't belong to any gangs at all).

flick wrote:

There are some people who have left the group who told me in private email
that if you aren't a member of the r.p.d.b Gay Girl Gang, you might be SOL
as far as being treated decently in here.

*snicker* I don't expect that any of those messages were from my
boyfriend. No, he doesn't post here anymore (his last dog died right
before I moved in with him three years ago, and he took it hard enough
that he's still not inclined to get another) but it's here that we met.
And I know for a fact that I wasn't the only rpdb'er to have a crush
on him before we got together. Of course the fact that he's a really
great guy - which was reflected in his posts - had a heck of a lot
to do with the fact that he was very well-liked here. People who feel
disliked should take note of that as a case study (but undoubtedly
won't).

Anyway, so much for the "gay girl gang" theory. *pfffffft* TINC.
HTH!

Dianne