I am on a search for the perfect poodle breeder for my next puppy. I have
been looking for several weeks and today I was shocked to find a breeder who
sells toy poodle puppies at 7 weeks old. I always thought that puppies,
especially small breeds like poodles, had to be at least 8 weeks old to
sell. When asked that very question, the breeder said that "by law, we can
sell them at 7 weeks old". Almost needless to say, I crossed that breeder
off my list of potential breeders because I feel this is just too early to
separate a puppy from its mommy and littermates. Anyway, does anyone know
if this breeder is accurate with his legal info? Does this vary by state?
Who sets the breeding rules and laws? Thanks for reading and any info you
can provide.

I am on a search for the perfect poodle breeder for my next puppy. I
have been looking for several weeks and today I was shocked to find a
breeder who sells toy poodle puppies at 7 weeks old. I always thought
that puppies, especially small breeds like poodles, had to be at least
8 weeks old to sell. When asked that very question, the breeder said
that "by law, we can sell them at 7 weeks old". Almost needless to
say, I crossed that breeder off my list of potential breeders because
I feel this is just too early to separate a puppy from its mommy and
littermates. Anyway, does anyone know if this breeder is accurate
with his legal info? Does this vary by state? Who sets the breeding
rules and laws? Thanks for reading and any info you can provide.


Ohio Law states 9 weeks is the earliest (But it's never enforced, but it's
certainly in the books)
So this must be a state thing. Since poodle breeding is mostly done by
back
yard breeders or by breeders supplying the puppy mill trade, good luck in
finding a responsible breeder. I did a search for responsible poodle
breeders about 12 years ago, when i bought my Mother-In Law a dog, and i
never found any. I hope some have risen to the top by now. But finding a
responsible poodle breeder IMO is as likely as finding a responsible
beagle
breeder. Just not likely to happen.


Thanks for the info about Ohio's laws. You are right, it must be a state by
state thing. I have found a few breeders that sound really responsible,
maybe even perfect but I can't afford the dogs they have. One wanted $2400
for a toy poodle (she guessed it would be 6-10 pounds full grown). Another
wanted $2000 and yet another wanted $1800. I am sorry but I am not made of
money and would hate to think that this is the cost of a decent breeder's
poodles. In comparison, the guy selling them at 7 weeks old wants $500 for
them and even less if he still has them at 8-12 weeks of age (he offered me
a 12 week old poodle for less than the full price based on its age alone).
I told him I am not opposed to the 12 week age but I didn't want that color
(it was the same color as Maui and I want two different color dogs). I also
questioned another breeder this week about her poodles because she said "oh,
I don't have any poodles now, but some more might arrive next week". I
didn't like the sound of that and crossed her off the list too.

Ohio Law states 9 weeks is the earliest (But it's never enforced, but it's
certainly in the books)
So this must be a state thing. Since poodle breeding is mostly done by
back
yard breeders or by breeders supplying the puppy mill trade, good luck in
finding a responsible breeder. I did a search for responsible poodle
breeders about 12 years ago, when i bought my Mother-In Law a dog, and i
never found any. I hope some have risen to the top by now. But finding a
responsible poodle breeder IMO is as likely as finding a responsible
beagle
breeder. Just not likely to happen.



do you know if you can report "bad" breeders to someone if you suspect they
are bad? I have run across a few I'd like to call someone about. Who would
I even call?

do you know if you can report "bad" breeders to someone if you suspect
they are bad? I have run across a few I'd like to call someone about.
Who would I even call?




The USDA might be interested. If they are selling AKC dogs, they would
also
be interested. Most breeders don't bother registering with the USDA *which
is the trademark of a puppy miller* because it means losing some of their
lucrative profits due to licensing.
The licensing is to insure sanitation and regulation of the puppy milling
business. It doesn't take breeding very much in order to meet requirements
of USDA licensing. So if they are puppymilling, the USDA would be happy
to
investigate. If they are puppymilling inhumanely, the USDA would even be
happier to fine them. Same with the AKC, which would just drive the puppy
miller to off registries, such as Continental Kennel Club, and Heartland
Express.



thanks for the info. I will have to look into this further.

One wanted $2400 for a toy poodle (she guessed it would be 6-10
pounds full grown). Another wanted $2000 and yet another wanted
$1800. I am sorry but I am not made of money and would hate to think
that this is the cost of a decent breeder's poodles. In comparison,
the guy selling them at 7 weeks old wants $500 for them and even less
if he still has them at 8-12 weeks of age (he offered me a 12 week old
poodle for less than the full price based on its age alone).


Breeding responsibly takes a lot of time, effort, management and money.
Following up on progeny (ALL of them) is an enormous effort if you breed
enough to have puppies available (which is an oxymoron) If you breed
responsibly, you may be YEARS on a waiting list. And there are lines of
people on that list waiting for that puppy. And yes, they can command what
they want. And the pricing rules out all but the most serious breeders.



do you mean rule out buyers? also, I should have mentioned that the prices
I mentioned above were for pet poodles. Most places will also sell them for
breeding (which is surprising that more of them aren't limiting breeders)
but that price is even more though that is as it should be and not
something I am interested in.

diddy wrote:
The USDA might be interested. If they are selling AKC dogs, they would also
be interested.

Hi Diddy,
I hope that is true. My experience with AKC was some years ago and it
was dismal. We busted an illegal kennel operator in San Diego County
and found breeding records that showed a stud dog was listed as the
stud for a dozen or more litters,- years after the receipts for his
intermment in a local pet cemetary. AKC was sent records and photos of
the indescribable conditions these dogs were kept in and chose to
simply ignore it. The breeder never lost her aility to register puppies
with AKC.

Contact a show breeder, tell them you are not interested in a breeding
dog.
But you are looking for a pet quality dog (that was not a show candidate)

sounds good. thanks.


To be honest, it's difficult to recognise show stock vs non-show stock
very
early. As puppies grow rapidly and surprising things happen.
Some dogs that I have thought, positively absolutely no WAY could they
become show animals, have turned into the best of the litter. And vice
Versa.

You are more likely to find a RESPONSIBLE breeder in a show breeder. Or
they are more than likely able to refer to one. Ask for one who does
health
testing. Ask to be put on a waiting list. If they breed more than one
litter a year.. think hmmmmmmm. I'd be happier on alist where the breeder
actually breeds every 3-5 years.
For a good puppy from a responsible breeder, I'd wait.


Getting on a list and waiting is fine but I don't plan to wait 3-5 years.
At most, I am willing to wait 2 years from this point. I have been checking
all over the US instead of just eastern side so now that will expand my
search. Hopefully, I will have a good idea of where I am getting the dog
from soon so I can start the process off.

http://www.poodlebreeders.com/toy/ok...ot/talbot.html
this is a very responsible SHOW breeder, who I plan on (hopfully) breeding
my
toy poodle(who is show standard) to a silver male. I want to pruduce a more
leggy toy poodle than we have around her in general.
good luck!




"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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I am on a search for the perfect poodle breeder for my next puppy. I have
been looking for several weeks and today I was shocked to find a breeder
who sells toy poodle puppies at 7 weeks old. I always thought that
puppies, especially small breeds like poodles, had to be at least 8 weeks
old to sell. When asked that very question, the breeder said that "by law,
we can sell them at 7 weeks old". Almost needless to say, I crossed that
breeder off my list of potential breeders because I feel this is just too
early to separate a puppy from its mommy and littermates. Anyway, does
anyone know if this breeder is accurate with his legal info? Does this
vary by state? Who sets the breeding rules and laws? Thanks for reading
and any info you can provide.

"Just Mel" wrote in message
news:9oqZe.7219$P34.1249@okepread07...
http://www.poodlebreeders.com/toy/ok...ot/talbot.html
this is a very responsible SHOW breeder, who I plan on (hopfully) breeding
my
toy poodle(who is show standard) to a silver male. I want to pruduce a
more leggy toy poodle than we have around her in general.
good luck!




thanks for the link, I checked it out and going to send an email shortly.






"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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I am on a search for the perfect poodle breeder for my next puppy. I have
been looking for several weeks and today I was shocked to find a breeder
who sells toy poodle puppies at 7 weeks old. I always thought that
puppies, especially small breeds like poodles, had to be at least 8 weeks
old to sell. When asked that very question, the breeder said that "by
law, we can sell them at 7 weeks old". Almost needless to say, I crossed
that breeder off my list of potential breeders because I feel this is just
too early to separate a puppy from its mommy and littermates. Anyway,
does anyone know if this breeder is accurate with his legal info? Does
this vary by state? Who sets the breeding rules and laws? Thanks for
reading and any info you can provide.