WienerDog wrote:

All he does is slander and defame people in
here. He knows nothing about dog training or
canine behavior. He just makes this up and
has been trolling this newsgroup for years.

Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've read his manual,
there is not one punishment (or anything in it that your dog could
perceive as punishment), which is why it is so effective.

Many trainers use fear, bribery and intimidation to train. I have two
dogs that arrived from abusive homes with problems three years ago.
After teaching myself Jerry's methods, no more problems.

My friends, all using "trainers", seem to solve one problem only to have
another emerge shortly thereafter. They don't understand the manual at
all, and keep resorting to punishment techniques, so their dogs at best
behave erratically. I think it's displacement -- the dog stops doing
one thing, but starts another to relieve anxiety.

Jerry may have little patience with people, but then, it ain't about
you, it's about your dog.

n

"NanK" wrote in message
...
WienerDog wrote:

All he does is slander and defame people in here. He knows nothing about
dog training or
canine behavior. He just makes this up and has been trolling this
newsgroup for years.

Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've read his manual,
there is not one punishment (or anything in it that your dog could
perceive as punishment), which is why it is so effective.

Many trainers use fear, bribery and intimidation to train. I have two
dogs that arrived from abusive homes with problems three years ago. After
teaching myself Jerry's methods, no more problems.

My friends, all using "trainers", seem to solve one problem only to have
another emerge shortly thereafter. They don't understand the manual at
all, and keep resorting to punishment techniques, so their dogs at best
behave erratically. I think it's displacement -- the dog stops doing one
thing, but starts another to relieve anxiety.

Jerry may have little patience with people, but then, it ain't about you,
it's about your dog.

n


"Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've read his manual,
there is not one punishment (or anything in it that your dog could
perceive as punishment), which is why it is so effective."

I worry about people who think like this.

Dave

Alpha wrote:

"NanK" wrote in message
...

WienerDog wrote:


All he does is slander and defame people in here. He knows nothing about
dog training or
canine behavior. He just makes this up and has been trolling this
newsgroup for years.

Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've read his manual,
there is not one punishment (or anything in it that your dog could
perceive as punishment), which is why it is so effective.

Many trainers use fear, bribery and intimidation to train. I have two
dogs that arrived from abusive homes with problems three years ago. After
teaching myself Jerry's methods, no more problems.

My friends, all using "trainers", seem to solve one problem only to have
another emerge shortly thereafter. They don't understand the manual at
all, and keep resorting to punishment techniques, so their dogs at best
behave erratically. I think it's displacement -- the dog stops doing one
thing, but starts another to relieve anxiety.

Jerry may have little patience with people, but then, it ain't about you,
it's about your dog.

n



"Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've read his manual,
there is not one punishment (or anything in it that your dog could
perceive as punishment), which is why it is so effective."

I worry about people who think like this.

Dave


I worry about people who don't!
n

You know most of the problems you people have with your dogs are caused by
you!

THEY ARE ANIMALS.....

Not little pooky wooky humans.

Dave

HOWEDY alphalpha,

Alpha wrote:

You know most of the problems you people
have with your dogs are caused by you!

THEY ARE ANIMALS.....

Not little pooky wooky humans.

Dave

You're just a dirty lyin Nazi, alpalpha sweeney.

REMEMBER THIS?:

Subject: http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html

David,

Yeah, I've already posted this link and looked at it myself.

Amy Dahl *does* talk about hitting dogs with sticks... and ear
pinching.

-Lisa

"David & Janette Sweeney" wrote in message
.. .

http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html

Look at this and tell me what you think, is this the web
site of a sane person, Im going to send this to the Australian
Federal Police, and RSPCA, and all dog clubs here. David
Sweeney stands in the corner hangs his head and cries

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Hi Jerry,
It is now 1:130 A.M. and I just finished reading your manual.
Of course I will need to read it many more times in order to
apply the techniques when I get a dog.

I found it even better than I thought it would be and I had
high expectations for it.

It is absolutely new , original, TOTALLY overdue for the world
to learn about to stop all the violence, fear and abuse. It is
interesting how they have us in a SPELL ( source peoples emotional
language legacy) and even with the best of intentions while doing
these awful techniques that feel violent and inside the heart
recoils from doing them, there is the little voice that say's
'But it is for the dog's good' and so I have to get tough and
not be a sissy and give in to the horror I am seeing in the dog
and feeling that in my moral compass this feels wrong, and yet
continue to betray myself and the dog because all the "experts"
who say they love dogs ALL agree that I must do this and what
do I know, they say they love dogs they are " love covered in
fur" as Uncle Matty say's. He loves dogs to say this so I must
be too soft hearted to recoil from what obviously is my duty
toward the dog.

You really broke the spell for me.

It is ground breaking work and I am exited to absorb it as in
the first reading there are so many oh wow moments that the
exercises need to be studied at another time as the impact of
the first reading makes it so mind altering that the emotional
response of FINALLY SOME SANITY is so strong that the details
of 'the how' to needs for me to be studied later many times to
internalize it so it is done correctly.

Thank you for the amazing manual.
Go jolly,


Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.labrador
From: "BK"
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:36:50 GMT
Subject: wit's end training method

You probably will not hear from a lot of fans on this
newsgroup but I have been using it since we got our
new pup in April and he is the best trained 7 month
old you will ever meet....

Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.health,
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: NanK
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:59:15 GMT
Subject: wit's end training method

Alpha wrote:
"NanK" wrote in message
...

WienerDog wrote:

All he does is slander and defame people in here. He
knows nothing about dog training or canine behavior.
He just makes this up and has been trolling this
newsgroup for years.

Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've
read his manual, there is not one punishment (or anything
in it that your dog could perceive as punishment), which
is why it is so effective.

Many trainers use fear, bribery and intimidation to train.
I have two dogs that arrived from abusive homes with problems
three years ago. After teaching myself Jerry's methods, no
more problems.

My friends, all using "trainers", seem to solve one problem
only to have another emerge shortly thereafter. They don't
understand the manual at all, and keep resorting to punishment
techniques, so their dogs at best behave erratically. I think
it's displacement -- the dog stops doing one thing, but starts
another to relieve anxiety.

Jerry may have little patience with people, but then, it
ain't about you, it's about your dog.

n

"Well, actually, he also understands dogs, and if you've
read his manual, there is not one punishment (or anything
in it that your dog could perceive as punishment), which
is why it is so effective."

I worry about people who think like this.

Dave

I worry about people who don't!
n


This is pretty incredible stuff:

Here's a couple quotes from our dog abusing lying Thug pals:

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not
Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where
Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," amy
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With
That Ever Ready Right Hand," As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is
digging out to beat the stick and seems totally
reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished"

"This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog
drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
"(stay on the ear until it does)" "(perhaps because the ear
is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)"

"You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.

Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress
to striking them more sharply" Try pinching the ear between
the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the
collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" "but will squeal,
thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear
pinch" You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead
of your thumb" "even get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that" "Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance" dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.

Got any idea what that's about? Lookes like a outright LIE

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