on 2005-11-22 at 12:17 wrote:

Yikes.

yikes?

It's usually from a glancing contact between the dewclaw and
the rubber matting, sometimes during the box turn, or more
commonly IME, during decelleration in the runback area.

i think that i'd have to ask myself if it was worth
participating in a sport that was likely to cause such
injuries.

A torn dew claw is a painful, bloody injury.

yes, i realize that.

As to dogs using their dewclaws, I've no doubt that there are
some dogs that can and do.

i don't know, but i suspect that most who have well attached
dewclaws do, indeed, use them.

It's hard to imagine that he's lost any manual dexterity.

i'm not arguing that there is any loss of manual
dexterity--gripping power and stability, though, possibly.

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when they get spayed/nuetered we get the works all at
once....spay/nueter---teeth cleaned if needed---dew claws
removed if needed---nails trimmed---ears deep cleaned( or an
ear enima if you prefer LOL).

huh. i've never had a vet who would do teeth cleaning at the
same time as any other procedure.

It's SOP for the majority of rescues.

Mustang Sally

"shelly" wrote in message
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on 2005-11-22 at 11:17 wrote:

when they get spayed/nuetered we get the works all at
once....spay/nueter---teeth cleaned if needed---dew claws
removed if needed---nails trimmed---ears deep cleaned( or an
ear enima if you prefer LOL).

huh. i've never had a vet who would do teeth cleaning at the
same time as any other procedure.

that is curious...I have never had a vet say they would not do it...in fact
it was a vet who started us doing that.."While we got her under might as
well...yadda yadda yadda"

but I am sure it does, otherwise the vet would not suggest
it.

i've also never had a vet suggest that i have a dog's dewclaws
removed.

usually suggested before 3-4 month of age, many times done by the breeder
after birth....All 7 vets we work with routinely suggest dew claw removal on
pups...not such a big deal or as common on adults, but this particular
posted seemed concerned.


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Tallula the bullmastiff did not have her's removed as a pup. Well at 120
pounds, she partially ripped one off while playing in the backyard. (Great
fun was had by all getting her into the car to go to the vet's on that one.)
So since one was mostly gone and needed to be completely removed, we just
had both done. I remember both the tech and the doc saying they wished more
breeders removed the dews at the early stage. So, I guess they get their
number of injuries.

Tallula was pretty much incapacitated for about 24 hours - had to put a
harness on her to lift the front end. That may have been more due to the
bandages than the "pain". But, after a day or so she got around pretty well.
One benefit is that she can now rub her face without poking herself in the
eye.

Now the breeder for my second dog, a Cane Corso, did have this litter's
front dews removed. Her reason was that many of the pups were going to
"working homes" (my cadaver home, a few PP homes, and a farm home). She
reviewed the number of injuries later in life from some of her other
litters, and had the procedure done on a litter of pups from a breed where
it is not the norm.

"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...
It seems that Cali still has her dew claws. Can they be removed when she
gets spayed? Will they not do that at the same time? Do they need to be
removed or can she keep them? Thanks for any input.

huh. i've never had a vet who would do teeth cleaning at the
same time as any other procedure.

As long as the pet is otherwise healthy and the combined procedures do not
keep the dog under anesthesia for a very long period of time.

"ZPL" wrote in message
m...
Tallula the bullmastiff did not have her's removed as a pup. Well at 120
pounds, she partially ripped one off while playing in the backyard.
(Great fun was had by all getting her into the car to go to the vet's on
that one.) So since one was mostly gone and needed to be completely
removed, we just had both done. I remember both the tech and the doc
saying they wished more breeders removed the dews at the early stage. So,
I guess they get their number of injuries.

Seems the breeder removing them at a young age, when it is less traumatic
for the dog is the most sensible solution.

Tallula was pretty much incapacitated for about 24 hours - had to put a
harness on her to lift the front end. That may have been more due to the
bandages than the "pain". But, after a day or so she got around pretty
well. One benefit is that she can now rub her face without poking herself
in the eye.


Now the breeder for my second dog, a Cane Corso, did have this litter's
front dews removed. Her reason was that many of the pups were going to
"working homes" (my cadaver home, a few PP homes, and a farm home). She
reviewed the number of injuries later in life from some of her other
litters, and had the procedure done on a litter of pups from a breed where
it is not the norm.

Can I ask some questions about the Cane Corso without everyone jumping down
my throat?

"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...
It seems that Cali still has her dew claws. Can they be removed when she
gets spayed? Will they not do that at the same time? Do they need to be
removed or can she keep them? Thanks for any input.

Can I ask some questions about the Cane Corso without everyone jumping down
my throat?


Go ahead! I LOVE to talk about molossers!

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:18:03 -0600, "RobDar"
wrote:

that is curious...I have never had a vet say they would not do it...in fact
it was a vet who started us doing that.."While we got her under might as
well...yadda yadda yadda"

i haven't had an animal's teeth cleaned in many years, so perhaps things
have changed. my understanding was that cleaning teeth at the same time
as having surgical procedures done was discouraged because of risk of
infection. apparently, that's no longer the case.

many times done by the breeder after birth....

yes, i'm aware of that. as i mentioned, i've got a Boxer, whose
dewclaws were removed when she was a puppy. however, that's SOP for the
breed.

All 7 vets we work with routinely suggest dew claw removal on pups...

i'm not sure i'd appreciate that, if i were a client. discussing the
pros and cons of the procedure, sure, but going so far as suggesting
that i have it done is, i think, another matter.

my experience with vets must be odd, because, unless it's been an
emergency, i don't think i've ever had a vet actually recommend that a
particular procedure been done. in fact, i've had to really press them
for that advice. my experience has been that they've laid out the
problem and the options and then let me decide on my own what would be
the best course of action.

not such a big deal or as common on adults, but this particular
posted seemed concerned.

i don't know that it was concern so much as simple knowledge seeking.

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"Kathleen" wrote in message
...
MauiJNP wrote:

It seems that Cali still has her dew claws. Can they be removed when
she
gets spayed? Will they not do that at the same time? Do they need to
be
removed or can she keep them? Thanks for any input.

I'd discuss it with your vet right now. Some vets won't
remove them unless there are problems, others will. For the
average dog I'd tend to leave them on unless they're
detached. Is there some reason in particular you're
concerned about this?



it's different than Maui (and the other dog I have growing up, also a
poodle) so I am unfamiliar with them. if there is no reason to remove
it, I guess it might as well stay.

If you're considering doing flyball I'd highly recommend removing them.
I've seen some appalling dew claw injuries. But if you want it done, best
ask your vet right away. On adult dogs the procedure to remove them is
much more involved than the quick snip-n-stitch newborns get, and many
vets will refuse to do it, even after they've been badly torn.




thanks for the input, I'll talk to my vet about it and see what she
recommends.

"shelly" wrote in message
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on 2005-11-22 at 06:23 wrote:

If you're considering doing flyball I'd highly recommend
removing them.

wasn't it Janet who has a picture of Franklin using his
dewclaws during a flyball turn?

i'm agnostic on the topic of removing dewclaws. they're
removed on Boxers, so harriet doesn't have any. elliott had
them, though. he was pretty active, and in brushy, rocky,
rough terrain, too, and never injured his. i'm totally
ignorant of flyball, though, so maybe that presents a serious
risk? it seems to me, though, that dogs *do* use their
dewclaws (thems what gots 'em), so i would want to give it
serious consideration before removing them.



what is the purpose of them? is it bad to remove them at birth or just
later? like I said, this is my first dog with them so I am new to this as a
choice (to have them or not). I will talk to my vet.