On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 07:32:40 +0000, TOTE wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:41:27 -0600 Jeff Dege whittled these words:

It's a corrections, plain and simple. But it's controllable to a degree
that other aversives are not. The levels used in training seem to be
milder than collar corrections.

If you believe an ecollar can only be used to correct unwanted behavior
(or failure to perform) I suggest you explore further. There is more to
it than that.

I believe that a shock from an e-collar is an aversive. That trainers who
pretend that they can condition their dog to react to a shock as if it
were a reward are lying to their clients or to themselves.

As for how aversives can be used in training, I prefer to keep them to a
minimum - for failure to perform tasks that have been taught using praise,
treats, and play.

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The citizen sees nothing wrong, in the sense of robbing a neighbor
is wrong to him, in turning the tables upon...[government] whenever
the opportunity offers. When he steals anything from it he is only
recovering his own, with fair interest and a decent profit. Two gangs
stand thus confronted: on the one hand the gang of drones and exploiters
constituting the government, and on the other hand the body of prehensile
and enterprising citizens...The difference between the two gangs - of
professionals and amateurs - is that the former has the law on its side,
and so enjoys an unfair advantage.
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