Thought I'd send out one more min pin color photo for you to look at,
this shows his coleration and markings across the back very well, as
well as the much lighter "wings" (countershading?) on his shoulders. You
can't quite see the dorsal line on the neck but you can between the
shoulders. Ayat is I what I believe you said. Oh and his skin is
darkening, it's always been black on his face, but his belly is
darkening as well--it was pink, now it's grey.

http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva5.jpg

Robin Nuttall wrote in
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Thought I'd send out one more min pin color photo for you to look at,
this shows his coleration and markings across the back very well, as
well as the much lighter "wings" (countershading?) on his shoulders. You
can't quite see the dorsal line on the neck but you can between the
shoulders. Ayat is I what I believe you said. Oh and his skin is
darkening, it's always been black on his face, but his belly is
darkening as well--it was pink, now it's grey.
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva5.jpg

From this angle he looks much clearer (less dark shading) sable than in
previous photos, more like the Min Pins and Pins I'm used in seeing around
here.

The light markings on shoulders look unnatural, too light but part of them
has to be just light and not true pale hair. If he had this strong
countershading, he would also show rather visible pale markings on face and
on lower legs.

This Shiba shows rather nice countershading. The shoulder stripe is there,
along with all the other typical pale markings:
http://www.kagetora.nl/images/shiba-shishi18jan06.jpg

This Akita shows as strong countershading as possible:
http://www.akita-zucht.ch/Zucht/sashi.gif
but the shoulder stripe isn't visible in this photo.

Liisa

Liisa Sarakontu wrote:
Robin Nuttall wrote in
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Thought I'd send out one more min pin color photo for you to look at,
this shows his coleration and markings across the back very well, as
well as the much lighter "wings" (countershading?) on his shoulders. You
can't quite see the dorsal line on the neck but you can between the
shoulders. Ayat is I what I believe you said. Oh and his skin is
darkening, it's always been black on his face, but his belly is
darkening as well--it was pink, now it's grey.
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva5.jpg


From this angle he looks much clearer (less dark shading) sable than in
previous photos, more like the Min Pins and Pins I'm used in seeing around
here.

But he definitely has black hairs and that back actually has quite a bit
of black in it, it just shades into the red.

The light markings on shoulders look unnatural, too light but part of them
has to be just light and not true pale hair. If he had this strong
countershading, he would also show rather visible pale markings on face and
on lower legs.

No, it's true pale hair. Not white, but pale cream. And then no, I would
not call it countershading then because he has NO visible pale markings
on his face or lower legs. The only other place on his body where the
hair is this pale is a "shawl" like effect on the sides of his neck,
again interspersed with black hairs. His feet, legs, and head all have
rich, rich red on them that is actually much darker than the underlying
coat of the shoulder and neck.

Here's one more showing his shoulder stripe:
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipp...ldershade1.jpg

One that shows the "shawl" of light hairs with black edge on his neck:
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva2.jpg

Head/legs no countershading:
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva4.jpg
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva6.jpg
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva7.jpg

This Shiba shows rather nice countershading. The shoulder stripe is there,
along with all the other typical pale markings:
http://www.kagetora.nl/images/shiba-shishi18jan06.jpg


Yes, I see it, but the only resemblance is the shoulder stripe. When I
got Zipper at 4.5 months, he was pretty bald on his chest/belly, but the
hair coming in there is significantly darker than the hair on that
shoudler stripe...

Here's one more showing his shoulder stripe:
http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipp...ldershade1.jpg


oh my, that is so cute!

montana wildhack wrote:
On 2006-03-10 15:45:55 -0500, Robin Nuttall said:

http://www.totaldobe.com/images/zipper/playviva6.jpg


Well! Here's a dog biting the head off a poor little puppy!. And you
just took picture! Along with all the other vicious dog attacks!


I know, I know. He's not near as cute without his head...

Robin Nuttall wrote in
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No, it's true pale hair. Not white, but pale cream. And then no, I
would not call it countershading then because he has NO visible pale
markings on his face or lower legs.

I did a Google picture search and looked at other Pin/Min Pin photos. That
pale neck seems to be rather common, but I found nearly no hints of the
"traditional" countershading. Pins have so short coat, perhaps that means
that countershading pattern looks very different? Or perhaps this is just
pale hair roots which can be seen on places where hair grows differently,
not so tight lying on skin but kind of standing.

Dogs with rather short coat, like Basenji, Boxer and Whippet can
sometimes show very visible countershading. Is Whippet coat as short as Min
Pin coat?

Liisa

Liisa Sarakontu wrote:
Robin Nuttall wrote in
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I did a Google picture search and looked at other Pin/Min Pin photos. That
pale neck seems to be rather common, but I found nearly no hints of the
"traditional" countershading. Pins have so short coat, perhaps that means
that countershading pattern looks very different? Or perhaps this is just
pale hair roots which can be seen on places where hair grows differently,
not so tight lying on skin but kind of standing.

Actually I'd say those are places where the hairs themselves are a bit
longer, especially on the neck--but not really the shoulder.

Dogs with rather short coat, like Basenji, Boxer and Whippet can
sometimes show very visible countershading. Is Whippet coat as short as Min
Pin coat?

Yes. All of these are very short single coats. I do have an idea
though--could this be an area of undercoat? It doesn't look like
undercoat, it's not fuzzy. But I know that Dobermans sometimes have
undercoat on the sides of their neck though they don't have it elsewhere.

It's not a big deal, I'm just curious about this kind of stuff.

Robin Nuttall wrote in
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I do have an idea
though--could this be an area of undercoat?

It could very well be, and you might find it out when your little dog grows
up and goes through full shedding. Such tiny hairs, I probably couldn't
even see them properly!

Liisa