Boy, I'd hate to be the person responsible for making decisions
regarding this horse's fate...

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing...T=HCP&GT1=8393

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Scientists Question Nature's Fundamental Laws...oh noooooo!
"If this principle is broken, then two objects dropped in a gravitational field
should fall at slightly different rates. Moreover, Einstein's gravitational theory
'general relativity' would no longer be completely correct, Martins says."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...e_tuesday.html

Florida. Almost no restrictions on firearms. Crime rate lowest since '71.
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/20...da_crime_r.php

Washington, D.C. Total ban on firearms. City declares crime emergency!
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...dc-crime_x.htm

QED.

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:40:04 -0500, diddy ,

for the decision, but i do think Thorobreds allow AI as long as both the
stallion and mare are on the premises

I don't think so - has to be an actual mount, which he's not capable
of doing anymore. Who are they keeping him alive FOR is the ultimate
question. He is having problems with the NON injured leg as well.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:40:04 -0500, diddy
wrote:

but i do think Thorobreds allow AI as long as both the
stallion and mare are on the premises

Not racing thoroughbreds.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Scientists Question Nature's Fundamental Laws...oh noooooo!
"If this principle is broken, then two objects dropped in a gravitational field
should fall at slightly different rates. Moreover, Einstein's gravitational theory
'general relativity' would no longer be completely correct, Martins says."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...e_tuesday.html

Florida. Almost no restrictions on firearms. Crime rate lowest since '71.
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/20...da_crime_r.php

Washington, D.C. Total ban on firearms. City declares crime emergency!
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...dc-crime_x.htm

QED.

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:43:23 -0400, Janet B
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:40:04 -0500, diddy ,

for the decision, but i do think Thorobreds allow AI as long as both the
stallion and mare are on the premises

I don't think so - has to be an actual mount, which he's not capable
of doing anymore.

Nope. It's a rear leg, too. It's hard enough to hand-breed a horse
with four legs.

Who are they keeping him alive FOR is the ultimate
question. He is having problems with the NON injured leg as well.

Janet, there's a lot at stake here. He's just a wonderful horse.

And I'm sure his semen will be used on non-racing mares for years to
come.

But the big money is in racing, and that's what this is about: $$$

On the other hand, Barbaro deserves a shot, provided concerns about
pain are properly dealt with (and from everything I've read, they're
bending over backwards to assure that).

Not every horse owner has such deep pockets to work from. And
laminitis is a big problem in horses. It would be a major
breakthrough if these vets can somehow salvage a horse like Barbaro
(who has a very serious case of laminitis), because that means that
many other horses would ultimately benefit from this knowledge, too.

As a breeder myself, I'd want to know a lot more about Barbaro's
breeding, training, nutrition (including "pharmaceuticals" used), etc.
Because, IMO, a horse just shouldn't break a leg in the manner that
Barbaro did.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Scientists Question Nature's Fundamental Laws...oh noooooo!
"If this principle is broken, then two objects dropped in a gravitational field
should fall at slightly different rates. Moreover, Einstein's gravitational theory
'general relativity' would no longer be completely correct, Martins says."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...e_tuesday.html

Florida. Almost no restrictions on firearms. Crime rate lowest since '71.
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/20...da_crime_r.php

Washington, D.C. Total ban on firearms. City declares crime emergency!
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...dc-crime_x.htm

QED.

Janet B wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:40:04 -0500, diddy ,


for the decision, but i do think Thorobreds allow AI as long as both the
stallion and mare are on the premises


I don't think so - has to be an actual mount, which he's not capable
of doing anymore. snip

Wow. I didn't know that. Given the possibility of injury to mare or
stallion during a live cover I'd have thought AI would be the preferred
method, especially since DNA technology makes it easy enough to prove
parentage.

Kathleen

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:07:06 -0500, diddy
wrote:

[]
Thoroughbred breeders must know of the health benefits of artificial
insemination. Any veterinarian can list them. So the question lingers: If
it makes sense to protect mares and stallions from injury and disease, and
top studs now are breeding 200, 300, and in some cases nearly 400 mares a
year, why not use artificial insemination?

I think you'll find your answer he

“Part of the intrigue, part of what makes horse racing so appealing is
the challenge and the art of breeding a better animal,” said Dan
Rosenberg, president of Three Chimneys Farm in Midway, Ky. , which
breeds Smarty Jones and a stable of other blue chip runners.

“It will become less appealing if it comes down to which owners and
breeders can hire the best scientists,” Rosenberg said. “Do we really
want races that pit 10 Secretariats against each other?”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7917032/page/2/


--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Scientists Question Nature's Fundamental Laws...oh noooooo!
"If this principle is broken, then two objects dropped in a gravitational field
should fall at slightly different rates. Moreover, Einstein's gravitational theory
'general relativity' would no longer be completely correct, Martins says."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...e_tuesday.html

Florida. Almost no restrictions on firearms. Crime rate lowest since '71.
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/20...da_crime_r.php

Washington, D.C. Total ban on firearms. City declares crime emergency!
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...dc-crime_x.htm

QED.

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
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As a breeder myself, I'd want to know a lot more about Barbaro's
breeding, training, nutrition (including "pharmaceuticals" used), etc.
Because, IMO, a horse just shouldn't break a leg in the manner that
Barbaro did.

It's my impression that anabolic steroids are used practically as a matter
of routine in racehorses. In people, the overuse/misuse of steroids has
resulted in muscles being too strong for the bones - resulting in stress
fractures. Also in people, the steroid and anti-inflammatory combination is
especially bad, steroids make the muscles very strong and
anti-inflammatories mask the pain of minor injuries, and they develop into
bigger problems when ignored. Long-term steroid use can cause osteoporosis
(people).

This is strictly my theory, and I could be wrong on any or all of it. But
maybe Barbaro had stress fracture due to steroids? What do you think?

flick 100785

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

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“It will become less appealing if it comes down to which owners and
breeders can hire the best scientists,” Rosenberg said. “Do we really
want races that pit 10 Secretariats against each other?”
snip

Heck yeah, I'd like to see that race! Genetics being equal, it all
comes down to environment and training. What really works and what's a
load of antiquated codswhallop?

Kathleen

I have been pullin for Barbaro. He is a champ, did his job and deserves
to live out his life pain free if that can be done....I got my hopes up
again today. My theory from the git was that he was a "dead horse
walkin". I figured they would keep him around long enuff to gather a
ten year supply of semen and he would be gone!!!!! Shows you what I
know....wrong again...all the way around I guess
Diddy, a three legged horse? That is incredible I have never heard of
one. How about that? Yippeeeee
Jack, I really enjoyed the website about crime going down in Fl since
gun laws have eased up.....I am proud to say I own my great great
grandmama's shot gun (don't think I will shoot it) (smile) and 2 mighty
fine hand guns......

Be Free,
Judy

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As a breeder myself, I'd want to know a lot more about Barbaro's
breeding, training, nutrition (including "pharmaceuticals" used),
etc. Because, IMO, a horse just shouldn't break a leg in the manner
that Barbaro did.


It was an extremely unusual break. A thoroughbred at full gallop pushes his
center of gravity forward and as a result the front legs undergo huge
strain. Most the time (90% I'm guessing), a galloping TB breaks a front
leg.

I read that the folks at the Preakness analyzed the videotape of the race
and came to the conclusion that another horse's hoof hit Barbaro's hind
pastern. That horse (IIRC it was Brother Derek) was behind and to the side
of Barbaro, so close that Brother Derek's head was practically on Barbaro's
jockey's thigh. Barbaro's pastern bone broke first then the others.
Considering how the hooves are just flying about when those TBs are in full
stride, this makes sense.

Chris and her smoothies,
Pablo and Lucy