I have two poodles, a toy and a mini. The toy has ear problems a lot.
Problems include red coloring, dark/crusty gunk and itching. I pull the
hairs several times a week (a few at a time to not overwhelm him, he's
sensitive about stuff like that) and also use a ear powder to aid in the
inhibition of bacterial growth (according to the box). The ear powder is
called PetGold Ear Powder. I also use Otomax ointment when I notice the
ears looking particularily red and gunky. His ears get cleaned several
times a week with Cerumene ear cleaning liquid (from the vet) which helps
pull out a lot of gunk. I am looking for any other good products that I
would either use in addition to these or instead of these. I have tried
DermaPet MalAcetic Otic with unsatisfying results. I was looking for some
products that will maybe help the problems go away and stay away, maybe a
powder that is used daily? Has anyone ever tried line of products from
Gimborn? I looked into them before and noticed it was three separate things
that are used together. Anyone had success with them? Thanks for any
input. It is always appreciated.

"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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I have two poodles, a toy and a mini. The toy has ear problems a lot.
Problems include red coloring, dark/crusty gunk and itching.

..........Has the vet ever taken a look at the ear gunk under the microscope?
It's better to see if you can find the cause of the problem. I recently had
a dog they discovered had ear mites. I don't remember the last time there
were ear mites in the house - probably 25 yrs. ago and it was the furthest
thing from my mind. Ear symptoms didn't fit either. Fortunately I haven't
found anyone else in the house with mites, which surprised me. I have a
microscope so I was able to check this myself.

use a ear powder to aid in the
inhibition of bacterial growth (according to the box). The ear powder is
called PetGold Ear Powder. I also use Otomax ointment when I notice the
ears looking particularily red and gunky.

.........I wouldn't use Otomax myself. It's been implicated in deafness.

His ears get cleaned several
times a week with Cerumene ear cleaning liquid (from the vet) which helps
pull out a lot of gunk. I am looking for any other good products that I
would either use in addition to these or instead of these.

........I like the Ear Cleansing Solution by Vet Solutions. I get it at the
vet clinic.

Has anyone ever tried line of products from
Gimborn? I looked into them before and noticed it was three separate
things
that are used together.

........A holistic vet once gave me a 3 bottle process that worked well. One
of them was a foaming solution to clean the ear. They were from Animal
Dermatology Laboratories. I've never seen them in any clinic since, so they
may be hard to get through a regulaar vet.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

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"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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I have two poodles, a toy and a mini. The toy has ear problems a
lot.
Problems include red coloring, dark/crusty gunk and itching.

.........Has the vet ever taken a look at the ear gunk under the
microscope?

three times, twice I got meds (once Anamax and once Otomax) because there
was an infection and the third time they said it was just ear wax so they
cleaned the ear and gave me the Ceremune to use at home.




It's better to see if you can find the cause of the problem.


I've discussed the ears with the vet almost every time I go. all of the
vets at the practice (I've seen at least 4 different ones) say not to worry
about it and just make sure I do my best to keep the ears clean and dry. I
mentioned allergies and the vet didn't agree it looked like "allergy ears".

Is there an ear specialist I should be going to?



I recently had
a dog they discovered had ear mites. I don't remember the last time there
were ear mites in the house - probably 25 yrs. ago and it was the furthest
thing from my mind. Ear symptoms didn't fit either. Fortunately I
haven't
found anyone else in the house with mites, which surprised me. I have a
microscope so I was able to check this myself.

use a ear powder to aid in the
inhibition of bacterial growth (according to the box). The ear powder is
called PetGold Ear Powder. I also use Otomax ointment when I notice the
ears looking particularily red and gunky.

........I wouldn't use Otomax myself. It's been implicated in deafness.


really? yikes, I don't want that. Any other suggestions? I had Anamax
before, is that good or basically the same problem?



His ears get cleaned several
times a week with Cerumene ear cleaning liquid (from the vet) which helps
pull out a lot of gunk. I am looking for any other good products that I
would either use in addition to these or instead of these.

.......I like the Ear Cleansing Solution by Vet Solutions. I get it at
the
vet clinic.


I will check it out, thanks.


Has anyone ever tried line of products from
Gimborn? I looked into them before and noticed it was three separate
things
that are used together.

.......A holistic vet once gave me a 3 bottle process that worked well.
One
of them was a foaming solution to clean the ear. They were from Animal
Dermatology Laboratories. I've never seen them in any clinic since, so
they
may be hard to get through a regulaar vet.



I will google this and see what I find. Thanks for all the input and
suggestions

MauiJNP wrote:


really? yikes, I don't want that. Any other suggestions? I had Anamax
before, is that good or basically the same problem?

I use Animax a lot, find it effective, and have never had any problems
with it. Mainly I am dealing with infections that include yeast, possibly
with other problems, with or without allergies.

Is there some reason not to regularly use an ear cleaner such as
Nolvasan Otic or Epi-Otic, to gently remove the residue?

Amy Dahl

I was looking for some products that will maybe help the problems go
away and stay away, maybe a powder that is used daily? Has anyone ever
tried line of products from Gimborn? I looked into them before and
noticed it was three separate things that are used together. Anyone had
success with them? Thanks for any input. It is always appreciated.



IMO you need to find out what the problem *is*- that is entirely way too
much ear cleaning!

yes, I agree. I want the problems to go away and stay away but am not
having much success.




Healthy ears should only need attention once a month.

Ear powder is solely for gripping- regardless of what it advertises it is
not an antibacterial. And you don't even know if your problem is
bacterial, fungal, or a combination of the two, or mites or yeast. I don't
mean to be harsh, but a different brand is not what you need- you need a
different vet, one who takes ear infections seriously.



I agree but it is hard to switch vets where I live. you have to be
waitlisted and takes a while.

is there an ear specialist I should look into?



Save yourself and your dog a lot of misery and have the ear exudate
cultured to find out specifically what the organism/s is, then treat it
appropriately.
It should be eliminated, not managed.


yes, this is what I want, the problem gone. I am just getting little help
from the vets on how to do that


And a quick review of diet couldn't hurt- sometimes allergies manifest in
the strangest ways, and overgrowth of yeast is one of the most common.



Maui eats California Natural Lamb and Rice for a few months now. Before
that, he was on a chicken based food from Pro Plan.

MauiJNP wrote:
I have two poodles, a toy and a mini. The toy has ear problems a lot.

blue power ear treatment
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...&cd=2&ie=UTF-8
or
http://tinyurl.com/n7sut

Regards

I've discussed the ears with the vet almost every time I go. all of the
vets at the practice (I've seen at least 4 different ones) say not to
worry about it and just make sure I do my best to keep the ears clean and
dry. I mentioned allergies and the vet didn't agree it looked like
"allergy ears".

At our practice, when we have stubborn ear problems that puzzle everyone in
the long run, we put the dog on Hills Z/D (for food allergies) and they
clear within a month. Not trying to do harsh promotion, just stating what
has worked for us (our dog included).

At least consider food allergy if nothing else has worked. Most importantly,
follow the other advice here and get that gunk smeared and looked at. Your
OTC products may be adding to the problem, not managing it (much less curing
it).

Get this under control before your trip to the beach (coming up soon, eh?)
;-)

"Sharon" wrote in message
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I've discussed the ears with the vet almost every time I go. all of the
vets at the practice (I've seen at least 4 different ones) say not to
worry about it and just make sure I do my best to keep the ears clean and
dry. I mentioned allergies and the vet didn't agree it looked like
"allergy ears".

At our practice, when we have stubborn ear problems that puzzle everyone
in the long run, we put the dog on Hills Z/D (for food allergies) and they
clear within a month. Not trying to do harsh promotion, just stating what
has worked for us (our dog included).


I mentioned trying that diet for Maui and the vet said no, it wouldn't work.
He doesn't appear to have allergies. I am going to call tomorrow and ask
again. Maybe they can swab the ears and check under the scope again (for
the fourth time).

At least consider food allergy if nothing else has worked. Most
importantly, follow the other advice here and get that gunk smeared and
looked at. Your OTC products may be adding to the problem, not managing it
(much less curing it).


ok


Get this under control before your trip to the beach (coming up soon, eh?)
;-)

yes, we are leaving the first weekend in August!

I mentioned trying that diet for Maui and the vet said no, it wouldn't
work.
He doesn't appear to have allergies. I am going to call tomorrow and ask
again. Maybe they can swab the ears and check under the scope again (for
the fourth time).

Going to Z/D wouldn't hurt one bit. If the vet isn't being proactive you
need to get a second opinion, even if you have to go to an emergency clinic
some night. It's pricey, but there's no waiting list. We've had good
compliance with clients using Z/D and great results. Once you see results,
(and it can take up to a month) it's pretty amazing and cheaper overall
since you are no longer seeing the vet for chronic problems, getting meds
and treating etc. What's to lose?

yes, we are leaving the first weekend in August!

We'll wave from Rodanthe. We leave next weekend!

"Sharon" wrote in message
...

I mentioned trying that diet for Maui and the vet said no, it wouldn't
work.
He doesn't appear to have allergies. I am going to call tomorrow and ask
again. Maybe they can swab the ears and check under the scope again (for
the fourth time).

Going to Z/D wouldn't hurt one bit. If the vet isn't being proactive you
need to get a second opinion, even if you have to go to an emergency
clinic some night. It's pricey, but there's no waiting list.

yeah, it is pricey but I agree. If the vet isn't going to accomodate, its
worth a shot to try a clinic. thanks for the idea.




We've had good compliance with clients using Z/D and great results. Once
you see results, (and it can take up to a month) it's pretty amazing and
cheaper overall since you are no longer seeing the vet for chronic
problems, getting meds and treating etc. What's to lose?

yes, we are leaving the first weekend in August!

We'll wave from Rodanthe. We leave next weekend!


sounds good, we will be in the Nags Head area.