Cari's Pomeranians now has AKC Pomeranian puppies. There are 3 merle
males born August 13th, 2006. The mother is our chocolate parti
Pomeranian female, Athena. The father is a blue merle male Pomeranian,
Dusty. The parents photos as well as their pedigrees are available at
www.merlemagic.com Our website has information regarding the merle
gene, our prices, and a copy of our written health guarantee.

These 3 AKC merle male Pomeranian puppies will be 4-5 lbs as an adult.
They are absolutely stunning. The merle puppies are very healthy and
gaining weight right on schedule. Interested buyers must complete an
online application (which can also be found on our website). Please
visit http://www.merlemagic.com

All puppies come with AKC registration, current vaccinations & worming,
written health guarantee, health certificate, favorite toys, small bag
of Royal Canin Mini puppy food, and a folder containing: pictures,
helpful hints, vaccination schedule, weight chart, pedigree, and
contract. Also optional microchip identification.

Deposits are $1000.00 and are non-refundable. We accept Paypal (credit
cards), US bank cashier check, US postal money order, and cash.
Shipping to the right home only. No International Shipping (unless to
London). Quarantine Is Eliminated for Pets Flying to London on
Continental Airlines

PLEASE NOTE: Prices will not be set until the puppies can open their
eyes in order to determine show potential. At this point all puppies
look to be exceptional quality and base price is $2000. If for any
reason you can no longer care for one of our Pomeranians, please return
him/she to us so that we may find it a new loving home.

Sincerely,

Caris Pomeranians

"Were Making Merle Magic"

http://www.merlemagic.com

"Cari's Pomeranians" wrote in
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Cari's Pomeranians now has AKC Pomeranian puppies. There are 3 merle
males born August 13th, 2006.

Could you present a 3 generation (or longer) pedigree of the very first AKC
registered merle Pomeranian? Pom is a German/British breed, and there has
never been merles in the country (countries) of origin. Merle is a dominant
gene, so every merle dog should have at least one merle parent. And if a
merle pops up from a non-merle breeding, it would be wise to check the
parentage with a DNA test.

Mutations do happen, and that's how the very first merle dog ever was born,
but that mutation (non-merle - merle) is super rare and it has perhaps
happened just once ever. I've never heard of a proven case of such a
mutation.

Liisa

"Liisa Sarakontu" wrote in message
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"Cari's Pomeranians" wrote in
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Cari's Pomeranians now has AKC Pomeranian puppies. There are 3 merle
males born August 13th, 2006.

Could you present a 3 generation (or longer) pedigree of the very first
AKC
registered merle Pomeranian? Pom is a German/British breed, and there has
never been merles in the country (countries) of origin. Merle is a
dominant
gene, so every merle dog should have at least one merle parent. And if a
merle pops up from a non-merle breeding, it would be wise to check the
parentage with a DNA test.

Mutations do happen, and that's how the very first merle dog ever was
born,
but that mutation (non-merle - merle) is super rare and it has perhaps
happened just once ever. I've never heard of a proven case of such a
mutation.

Yeah, well she talks about providing "show quality merles", but then lies
about the acceptability for merles in the show ring ("only merles with dark
colored eyes" are allowed, apparently....funny, that's not listed in the
standard). She then talks about how many "show quality" pups her dog has
produced, even though she still owns at least one of those dogs but has
never shown her (how convenient to call a dog "show quality" but then never
actually find out if that's a true statement by showing the dog)

The 72 hour health guarantee is lamer than even my own state's Puppy Lemon
Laws. And that law was designed for puppy mill dogs. She spends more time
trying to convince people that her dogs may, or may not, be show quality on
the guarantee page than she does discussing health issues.

This person should have her dogs spayed and neutered immediately. She has no
business breeding, IMO.

Tara (cranky from lack of coffee, but directing my anger in the *right*
direction this time.....at the crappy breeder)

"Cari's Pomeranians" said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

"Were Making Merle Magic"

Heh.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Liisa Sarakontu wrote:

"Cari's Pomeranians" wrote in
ps.com:


Cari's Pomeranians now has AKC Pomeranian puppies. There are 3 merle
males born August 13th, 2006.


Could you present a 3 generation (or longer) pedigree of the very first AKC
registered merle Pomeranian? Pom is a German/British breed, and there has
never been merles in the country (countries) of origin. Merle is a dominant
gene, so every merle dog should have at least one merle parent. And if a
merle pops up from a non-merle breeding, it would be wise to check the
parentage with a DNA test.

Mutations do happen, and that's how the very first merle dog ever was born,
but that mutation (non-merle - merle) is super rare and it has perhaps
happened just once ever. I've never heard of a proven case of such a
mutation.

Looking at the website, they're almost certainly Sheltie mixes. The
merle "stud" has a distinctively sheltie head.

"Yeah, well she talks about providing "show quality merles", but then
lies
about the acceptability for merles in the show ring ("only merles with
dark
colored eyes" are allowed, apparently....funny, that's not listed in
the
standard). She then talks about how many "show quality" pups her dog
has
produced, even though she still owns at least one of those dogs but has

never shown her (how convenient to call a dog "show quality" but then
never
actually find out if that's a true statement by showing the dog)

The 72 hour health guarantee is lamer than even my own state's Puppy
Lemon
Laws. And that law was designed for puppy mill dogs. She spends more
time
trying to convince people that her dogs may, or may not, be show
quality on
the guarantee page than she does discussing health issues.

This person should have her dogs spayed and neutered immediately. She
has no
business breeding, IMO.

Tara (cranky from lack of coffee, but directing my anger in the *right*

direction this time.....at the crappy breeder) "


Okay, do you even know what you are talking about? Do you even breed
Pomeranians or are at least familiar with the standard? Pomeranian
merles are eligible to show if they have dark colored eyes and meet AKC
Pom standard. (Merles eys can be brown, blue, and variations of those
shades.) Please take a look at Pombreden's merle Ocean as she is only 6
points away from finishing. Here is a link to American Pomeranian Club
for more information
http://www.americanpomeranianclub.org/colors/aoac.htm

The 72 hours health guarantee is only towards communicable (contagious)
diseases such as distemper, hepatitis, leptospirosis, adenovirus2,
parvovirus, and corona virus. We provide a one year guarantee on
genetic defects. Here is the direct link for those who have not read it
http://www.merlemagic.com/index_files/guarantee.htm

The show quality female we kept, Shiva, is in the process of being
shown by us. We are taking handling classes with her in our home town.
We wanted her to mentally mature before starting her in the show ring.
We also wanted her coat to come in fully.

BTW, our Starbucks is open 24 hours if you need a quick fix. ; )

I would like to know where you got sheltie? Maybe because in your mind
you are familiar with merle shelties? Merles exist in other breeds
beside shelties such as Shetland Sheepdogs, Collie, Great Danes,
Cardigan Welsh Corgi, Australian Shepherds, Border Collie, Chihuahua,
Cocker Spaniel, Dachshund, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Norwegian Hound,
Pyrenean Shepherd, Pomeranian, Beauceron Sheepdog, and Pit Bull.

Also if you look at the pedigrees on our Pomeranian's specific page you
would note the AKC DNA numbers. Have you not heard of cryptic merles or
phantom merles? Many sables and brindles can carry the merle gene, but
no one could tell for sure until recently. Most breeders in the past
would neuter their dog if a merle was born more prominently marked or
simply register it as a different color. There is now a DNA test for
the merle gene. Please read our merle gene facts page for more
information. Here is the link
http://www.merlemagic.com/index_files/merlegene.htm

Robin Nuttall wrote:
Liisa Sarakontu wrote:

"Cari's Pomeranians" wrote in
ps.com:


Cari's Pomeranians now has AKC Pomeranian puppies. There are 3 merle
males born August 13th, 2006.


Could you present a 3 generation (or longer) pedigree of the very first AKC
registered merle Pomeranian? Pom is a German/British breed, and there has
never been merles in the country (countries) of origin. Merle is a dominant
gene, so every merle dog should have at least one merle parent. And if a
merle pops up from a non-merle breeding, it would be wise to check the
parentage with a DNA test.

Mutations do happen, and that's how the very first merle dog ever was born,
but that mutation (non-merle - merle) is super rare and it has perhaps
happened just once ever. I've never heard of a proven case of such a
mutation.

Looking at the website, they're almost certainly Sheltie mixes. The
merle "stud" has a distinctively sheltie head.

According to the website, the sire of this litter is not yet 1 year old. Is
that a typo?

"Cari's Pomeranians" wrote in
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Merles exist in other breeds
beside shelties such as Shetland Sheepdogs, Collie, Great Danes,
Cardigan Welsh Corgi, Australian Shepherds, Border Collie, Chihuahua,
Cocker Spaniel, Dachshund, Catahoula Leopard Dog, Norwegian Hound,
Pyrenean Shepherd, Pomeranian, Beauceron Sheepdog, and Pit Bull.

Several of these breeds are breeds where merle has existed "forever", well
before the time when certain landrace dogs were first registered and a new
kennel club breed was created. You can also add Bergamasco to your "legally
merle" breeds. Mudi too comes in merle nowadays, but the breed fanciers are
still discussing if that is ok or not. The breed anyway has a partially
open stud book and it is known that merle came from a couple of non-
pedigreed herding dogs, it just "didn't happen".

But then you list 3-4 breeds which are old breeds, and have been bred for
generations without any merles - and now suddenly merles have popped up in
them. Pomeranian and American Cocker are breeds in which I know there can't
be merle without a suitable breed cross or a super rare mutation. Chihuahua
and Pit Bull and breeds, which probably should belong to this category too,
but I don't know their origins well enough to be sure of that. Anyway, I
don't believe that there can be purebred merle Poms or Am Cockers as long
as there is no explanation how that pattern came to the breed.

Have you not heard of cryptic merles or
phantom merles?

Sure, but they are rather rare and I don't think that there are known cases
where merle could have been hidden more than 1 generation, perhaps just 2.
But not longer.

Many sables and brindles can carry the merle gene,

Adult sable merle can really be impossible to tell apart from non-merle
sable, but sable merles are normally easy to recognize after birth. At that
time sable pups have much more dark shading (hair tips) than they would
have when adult, and merle patches are easy to see. Brindles in your breed
look so dark that merle would be visible in them even when adult. Very
lightly striped brindles could hide it when adult.

Only ee recessive yellow (varies from pale orange to cream to solid white
in your breed) can totally hide merle. There is no eumelanin, and so there
can't be no visible pale merle patches on coat. Blue eyes sometimes reveal
such a dog as a "hidden merle".

By the way, your breed club hasn't done its homework if it really accepts
merles only WITH BROWN EYES. With merle you just can get brown eyes, blue
eyes, odd eyes and spotted eyes. You can't breed for merle + brown eyes
combo. It would be just as stupid to accept just merles with bigger dark
patches on left side and smaller on right side: such dogs exist, but it is
a trait which you can't choose. Either disqualify merle, or allow them to
have blue eyes.

Liisa

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:24:42 GMT, Liisa Sarakontu
wrote:

Chihuahua
and Pit Bull and breeds, which probably should belong to this category too,
but I don't know their origins well enough to be sure of that. Anyway, I
don't believe that there can be purebred merle Poms or Am Cockers as long
as there is no explanation how that pattern came to the breed.

My understanding is that merle in Pit Bulls is recent, and is likely due
to out crossing. The one merle Pit I've seen looked an *awful* lot like
a Catahoula mix.

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