On 31 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0700, "lgohring"
wrote:


Oh Molly is less then 12 inches high I'm sure she could deliver a nasty
bite if giving the chance, but it's not like I let a bitbull chase
after her.

So, it's okay if she just gets her face ripped up a little? And has to
live with ugly scars the rest of her life? Or is traumatized by the
incident, and then forced to live with a fear of dogs for the rest of
her life?

I do not feel I took a risk with my daughter.

That's because you're a doofus.

Go away, doofus.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ama/article.do

Bite me.

in thread oups.com:
"lgohring" whittled the following words:

What the makes you think I would not pay a fee to be a memeber of a
group I wanted to join?


because you are too cheap to pay for a trainer? The one source where you
are sure to get real help?

If you bothered to actually READ my post. You would know I do NOT live
any where near a trainer.

I live in an extreamly small area. Our shelter is run by strictly
volunteers. I have asked my vet about finding one. The closest one is
across a toll brige and over 110 miles away.

lgohring wrote:


Maybe I have what this group is all about wrong? I thought it was a
place to throw ideas and advice around.

It seems more like a place where the older members know it all and just
toss out what ever remarks they feel like it to the newer people.

Boy, to me it looks like several knowledgeable people have taken
the time to give you thoughtful and responsible replies--then when
you stated that everyone's #1 choice, in-person help, was not going
to happen, they (we) put more time and thought into offering
alternatives.

I did think the "dodged a bullet" comment was a bit abrupt when I
first read it, but Jack is right: it's a legitimate, and important point.

Because something went well in one instance, in a context where
you are dealing with several unknowns, that doesn't necessarily
mean you are on the right track. And short answers have their
place; it can be easy to miss the point when qualifications and
digressions are included.

There are some posters on here I always skip, so maybe you have
received insulting replies I haven't seen. You've also received some
pretty good freebies from people to train dogs and owners for a
living. Please try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, OK?
You, your daughter, and your dog stand to benefit from the advice
you've been given here.

Amy Dahl

I live on Penn off Va main land. I have to cross the Cheseapeake bay
bridge tunnel to even get to the Va main land

wrote in message
ups.com...

If you bothered to actually READ my post. You would know I do NOT live
any where near a trainer.

I live in an extreamly small area. Our shelter is run by strictly
volunteers. I have asked my vet about finding one. The closest one is
across a toll brige and over 110 miles away.

If (and I stress IF) this trainer is any good with aggression issues, it
would be worth at least one trip out there to get in person instruction on
timing, handling etc. You could always call him or her and see what their
philosophy on dog training is, what methods they might employ in a case like
this, etc. If it sounds like a "go", then make a day of it, take a picnic,
plan on seeing some sights on the way hone. Whatever. Just go....if they're
*good*, that is.

You could also post (or email, if you're concerned) your vague whereabouts
so the people here might be able to help you find someone who could give you
a hand.

You have a few options here.

While I'm glad nothing happened to your daughter, I'm honestly a little
shocked that you didn't let your daughter know what all the new ground rules
were *before* she was even in the same room with the dog. Sure, its ok that
the dog didn't have an entirely negative reaction (but then I'm not
convinced the whining at the stairs was a positive one either), but a
potential problem here is that you might now be thinking its ok to let your
daughter pet him (after all, *that* time was ok), and its still not. Its
extremely easy....and extremely likely....for a frightened but curious dog
to have moments of bravery where they investigate something that was a
source of fear. This can actually be a *dangerous* time because its likely
the dog will get herself in over her head, but then react on whoever happens
to be nearby.

Honestly speaking, that wasn't a good move on your part.

Tara

The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wi
wrote:
HOWEDY diddler you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal Murderin
Active Acute Chronic Long Term Incurable MENTAL CASE and professional
dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

diddy wrote:
in thread ps.com:
"lgohring" whittled the following words:


You know you people are basicaly rude.

That's on accHOWENT of they're INSANE.

I've never been in group where the people think a one sentence
smart assed answer is how you treat members.

What the heel kinda ADVICE did you EXXXPECT from these pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin dog murderin mental cases, igohring {} : ~ (

How do you breath in the rain with that nose of yours stuck
so far up in the air?

That's EZ. He got a snorkle runnin up his butt.

He could have been more polite.

THAT'S HOWE COME he's anonymHOWES. There AIN'T NO JACK.
That's tommy sorenson of soronsen's Retriever PUPPY MILL and
shock collar sales, dog trainin FRAUD and SCAM ARTIST {} ; ~ )


Yeah but you called me Blackvomit and a BUNCH of others that I'm not,
so why should ANYONE believe you, Child Molester?

It's ABSOLUTELY INSANE that you call others child abusers, dog abusers
and mental cases. YOU are ALL of those!

Let's all just call him CM (Child Molester) for short - it's quick to
type and fits Howe perfectly.

Look, people. Most everyone has tried the "ignore him and he'll go
away" mentality for what? 6 to 8 years? It doesn't work.

If everyone decided to call this creep out and explain what a complete
asshole he is instead of ignoring him, maybe he'll go away?

Maybe not? I don't know. But the notion that ignoring him will make
him disappear is utterly stupid.

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT KIND OF A CREEP HE IS.
Sitting back and adding him to your killfile is simply...plain...dumb;
and AVOIDING the problem.

Take a stance.

On 31 Aug 2006 17:16:46 -0700, "lgohring"
wrote:


What the makes you think I would not pay a fee to be a memeber of a
group I wanted to join?

Jack you maybe a long term member here, but you are some what full of
yourself.

Maybe I have what this group is all about wrong? I thought it was a
place to throw ideas and advice around.

It seems more like a place where the older members know it all and just
toss out what ever remarks they feel like it to the newer people.

I think that at least two or three people took some time to explain to
you what they thought was happening, and offering suggestions. You
were also advised that this sort of problem is very difficult to
"diagnose" over the internet, and that getting in-person help would be
best. I live in a rural area, too, but there are dog trainers around.

Mustang Sally

wrote:
The_Insanely_Freakin_Simply_Amazing_Grand_Puppy_Wi
wrote:
HOWEDY diddler you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Lyin Animal Murderin
Active Acute Chronic Long Term Incurable MENTAL CASE and professional
dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

diddy wrote:
in thread ps.com:
"lgohring" whittled the following words:


You know you people are basicaly rude.

That's on accHOWENT of they're INSANE.

I've never been in group where the people think a one sentence
smart assed answer is how you treat members.

What the heel kinda ADVICE did you EXXXPECT from these pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin dog murderin mental cases, igohring {} : ~ (

How do you breath in the rain with that nose of yours stuck
so far up in the air?

That's EZ. He got a snorkle runnin up his butt.

He could have been more polite.

THAT'S HOWE COME he's anonymHOWES. There AIN'T NO JACK.
That's tommy sorenson of soronsen's Retriever PUPPY MILL and
shock collar sales, dog trainin FRAUD and SCAM ARTIST {} ; ~ )


Yeah but you called me Blackvomit and a BUNCH of others that I'm not,
so why should ANYONE believe you, Child Molester?

And he thinks I am Shoe Dog Bark !
He is delusional.
Paranoid that people are impersonating
When he is the BIGGEST IMPERSONATOR OF ALL !
He has more e-mail address then a person could keep up with !
And the one where he is 'Anonymous' is the MOST DAMAGING TO HIS
STORY THAT HE IS HERE TO TRAIN DOGS !

It's ABSOLUTELY INSANE that you call others child abusers, dog abusers
and mental cases. YOU are ALL of those!

All of those and more !

Let's all just call him CM (Child Molester) for short - it's quick to
type and fits Howe perfectly.

Sounds like a plan !

Look, people. Most everyone has tried the "ignore him and he'll go
away" mentality for what? 6 to 8 years? It doesn't work.

He keeps slinking around.

If everyone decided to call this creep out and explain what a complete
asshole he is instead of ignoring him, maybe he'll go away?

Sounds like a plan !

Maybe not? I don't know. But the notion that ignoring him will make
him disappear is utterly stupid.

Utterly !

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT KIND OF A CREEP HE IS.
Sitting back and adding him to your killfile is simply...plain...dumb;
and AVOIDING the problem.

Do something and get rid of the CREEP !

Take a stance.

Have some backbone !

Mirelle