I added a Standard Poodle quiz and a poodle survey to vote for your
favorite standard poodle color to my website. See how well you do!

Sandy, Bob and Meg
http://www.standardpoodlesusa.com

Sandy wrote:
I added a Standard Poodle quiz and a poodle survey to vote for your
favorite standard poodle color to my website. See how well you do!

Sandy, Bob and Meg
http://www.standardpoodlesusa.com

Nice site you have!

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Om Kenn Rosenkranz (førtidspensionist)
http://farligatdrikke.tripod.com/

"Sandy" wrote in message
ups.com...
I added a Standard Poodle quiz and a poodle survey to vote for your
favorite standard poodle color to my website. See how well you do!


In the quiz you maintain that there were no red Poodles before 1980?
That's a little strange, as I bought one in 1973- there were many, many red
Poodles before 1980.

While you have a very well laid out site and have obviously spent lots of
time on it, you have a fair amount of incorrect and missing information.
What first caught my attention was the mention of Poodles not shedding on
the very first page. You then correct yourself on the grooming page with an
"actually they do" comment. What's up with that?
On your "choose a puppy page" you mention a "wirehaired type" coat. There is
only one correct Poodle coat, and you are clouding the issue here.

On the choose a puppy page you have no mention of inheritable health
problems. And while you mention a few of them on the health page, you make
no mention of testing individuals being used for breeding. You do get around
to it on the choose a breeder page, but my point is that many folks will
never make it that far- it needs to be on the puppy pages as well.

You advise picking a puppy from a third repeat breeding, never buying from a
bitch bred for the first time, and you advise buying from larger litters-
why?

You say over on your care page that the cost of maintaining a Standard is
$800 per year. Clearly this won't include grooming, which would total over
$800 alone per year in my shop.

Anyway- just a few thoughts. Some of your info is good if a bit "pet", it
just needs to be better integrated if you expect to become a recommended
site.


--
Toni
http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com

Hi,

Thank you for the comments on my site. I will be sure to take them into
consideration and make sure they are correct.

There may have been red miniature poodles before 1980, but supposedly
no red standards in the United States according to this article on the
red/apricot poodle website:

http://www.apricotredpoodleclub.com/ShangriLa.html

I guess I do need to reword the part about now shedding as they
actually do, but the hair does not fall out, it stays in the coat and
has to be brushed out.

I only mentioned the diseases that were the most common ones to show up
in Standard Poodles on the health page. I will go back and add info
about the diseases on my puppy page and into about testing.

I'm not a breeder and was not writing this page from a breeders
standpoint or from the idea of showing a poodle, which I don't. It is
mostly aimed at someone who wants to purchase one as a companion.

I will also add to the cost of maintaining the poodle to include
grooming.

Thanks for your input.

Sandy


Toni wrote:
"Sandy" wrote in message
ups.com...
I added a Standard Poodle quiz and a poodle survey to vote for your
favorite standard poodle color to my website. See how well you do!


In the quiz you maintain that there were no red Poodles before 1980?
That's a little strange, as I bought one in 1973- there were many, many red
Poodles before 1980.

While you have a very well laid out site and have obviously spent lots of
time on it, you have a fair amount of incorrect and missing information.
What first caught my attention was the mention of Poodles not shedding on
the very first page. You then correct yourself on the grooming page with an
"actually they do" comment. What's up with that?
On your "choose a puppy page" you mention a "wirehaired type" coat. There is
only one correct Poodle coat, and you are clouding the issue here.

On the choose a puppy page you have no mention of inheritable health
problems. And while you mention a few of them on the health page, you make
no mention of testing individuals being used for breeding. You do get around
to it on the choose a breeder page, but my point is that many folks will
never make it that far- it needs to be on the puppy pages as well.

You advise picking a puppy from a third repeat breeding, never buying from a
bitch bred for the first time, and you advise buying from larger litters-
why?

You say over on your care page that the cost of maintaining a Standard is
$800 per year. Clearly this won't include grooming, which would total over
$800 alone per year in my shop.

Anyway- just a few thoughts. Some of your info is good if a bit "pet", it
just needs to be better integrated if you expect to become a recommended
site.


--
Toni
http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com

"Sandy" wrote in message
oups.com...

I'm not a breeder and was not writing this page from a breeders
standpoint or from the idea of showing a poodle, which I don't. It is
mostly aimed at someone who wants to purchase one as a companion.

Don't people who "just" want a pet deserve to get a dog from a breeder who
has tested for inheritable illnesses? I'm sure Toni brought it up not to
benefit breeders or conformation folk, but to benefit those who are in
search of a companion animal. ALL breeders should be checking for inherited
illness and be breeding for temperament and structure, not just breeders
creating dogs for the show ring.

Tara

Yes they should, and I address that on my "Choosing a Breeder" page. I
will mention it on my "Choosing a Puppy" page as well.

Thanks

Sandy

TaraG wrote:
"Sandy" wrote in message
oups.com...

I'm not a breeder and was not writing this page from a breeders
standpoint or from the idea of showing a poodle, which I don't. It is
mostly aimed at someone who wants to purchase one as a companion.

Don't people who "just" want a pet deserve to get a dog from a breeder who
has tested for inheritable illnesses? I'm sure Toni brought it up not to
benefit breeders or conformation folk, but to benefit those who are in
search of a companion animal. ALL breeders should be checking for inherited
illness and be breeding for temperament and structure, not just breeders
creating dogs for the show ring.

Tara

Toni wrote:
"Sandy" wrote in message
ups.com...

You advise picking a puppy from a third repeat breeding, never buying from a
bitch bred for the first time, and you advise buying from larger litters-
why?

Without going to the page--this is just stupid advice. For one thing, a
carefully planned first breeding is just as viable as any other
breeding. For another, many responsbile breeders don't even DO three
breedings, much less 3 repeat breedings of the same dog and bitch.

Breeding should be done with the view of improving the breed in the next
generation. If the bitch can't produce any improvements in two
breedings, she should not be bred again. If she does produce an
improvement, then that dog should be bred down the line, not the bitch.
While I do know a few people who do repeat breedings that "nick"
especially well, I don't think I know anyone who has done 3 repeat
breedings of the same bitch and dog. Generally responsible breeders will
breed a bitch 2 or 3 times max in her lifetime then spay her.

Robin Nuttall wrote:


Generally responsible breeders will
breed a bitch 2 or 3 times max in her lifetime then spay her.

I disagree with this. I would favor breeding a really good bitch
as many times as practicality and her health allow. In my view,
good breeding is *selective* breeding. Effectiveness in
selective breeding depends upon (1) degree of selectivity;
(2) judiciousness of selection; and (3) luck. The point here
is (1), being as selective as possible. Say a bitch has
two litters averaging 8 puppies per litter. On average she has
8 female puppies. Your maximum selectivity is one in eight.
Maybe you keep the best appearing bitch prospect in each
litter...and the one from the first litter grows up to have an
incorrect bite, and the one from the second litter only makes
OFA Fair.

All the other littermates have great temperament, coat, structure,
and working ability, indicating your bitch is a worthy producer
but, too bad, she's spayed.

Or maybe, in one of your breedings you take a flyer on an
up-and-coming dog who really looks terrific, maybe the breed's
next Dual Champion, great bloodlines, all the traits you look for
in a dog. He and your bitch really, really fail to nick. Or, in
subsequent breedings he is shown to throw one of those
nasty recessive diseases for which there is no DNA test yet, so
you don't want to use any of his get. Oops, now one of your
2-3 breedings is wasted.

I estimated once that I had about $30K in equivalent purchase
price, equivalent training fees, health testing, entry fees etc.
for raising and training a number of bitch puppies that I washed
out to select one worthy brood bitch. What a waste not to put
maximum effort into getting a breed-worthy daughter.

Another angle is if your bitch turns out to be a true "blue
hen," and you want to linebreed on her, it is to your
advantage to have her get crossed with different studs
out there and available. She's not going to nick equally
well with all studs, so you improve your chances by having
more than the absolute minimum.

Amy Dahl

Amy Dahl wrote:

Robin Nuttall wrote:


Generally responsible breeders will
breed a bitch 2 or 3 times max in her lifetime then spay her.


I disagree with this.

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Another angle is if your bitch turns out to be a true "blue
hen," and you want to linebreed on her, it is to your
advantage to have her get crossed with different studs
out there and available. She's not going to nick equally
well with all studs, so you improve your chances by having
more than the absolute minimum.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Amy. Regardless of
the fact that continual breeding is extremely hard on the bitch, you and
I both have breeds with HUGE numbers out there. You have the number one
breed. I still don't see any reason to breed a bitch more than twice in
her lifetime. I just don't see either of your reasoning lines as valid
ones to keep pumping out tons of puppies from one bitch. I respect your
viewpoint, but I don't find it convincing.

Robin Nuttall wrote:

You have the number one
breed.

Ahem. Hardly. Forty-something, I think.

Amy Dahl