diddy wrote in
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in thread : Amy Dahl
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Sandy in OK wrote:


But the fact is, I don't know any legitimate trainers who call
themselves "purely positive" do you? I certainly don't consider
myself to be one. I think it's one of those "strawman" arguments you
keep going on and on about. If you consider that belittling how it
is used. I guess so. I find the use of it disingenous.


Haven't followed this whole thread--I'm swamped. But IIRC the term,
and the aggravation associated with it, has a lot to do with some
individuals who were on here for awhile, calling everyone else a lot
of names, advocating what seemed to be an ideologically-pure,
reward-only form of training. Their evident desire to impose their
views on everyone and the low standards they had for their dogs'
behavior and training were part of the picture.

Actually i believe the only PP trainer here was Leah.

No, there were planty more before her.

I don't think
there was A N Y ONE who considered her credable. And yes, she had low
standards. I wonder if she ever got Maddy to heel off lead?

Irrelevant, since to a lot of us who have been here a long time, she
doesn't really represent the trainers tauting the PP hilosophy.

I don't think Leah ever called anyone a lot of names. She was
remarkably gentle. She was called a lot of names.

Once again, she's not really the one who is being referred to here.

So that's where the
name calling came in. But she never called anyone names. She is of the
aging hippy culture, formerly living in communes. As far as i can
tell, she lived/s her beliefs as fleetingly transient as they were.
But her motives were deeply felt and thoroughly believed by her. Her
circuit board had some serious "open's" in it. But i don't ever think
she deviated from her beliefs at the time for a moment. She lived her
convictions, whatever they were. And proselytized them.
But from all practical purposes, even mentioned by herself, her
methods didn't work very well.

Oh, there is one other person that I forgot about.
He-who-must-not-be- named. Another figure who claims PP, and whose
"followers" have low expectations and for whom ANY type of training at
all would improve their dogs behavior.
That's TWO PP'rs. BOTH local of this group . Both much less than
credable. Both leading credence to PP'rs being quacks.


Then what is being referenced is clearly before your time. No crime in
that, certainly, but you're arguing the wrong thing because of it.

Oh, and I use clicker on Tuck. Or verbal bridges when I don't happen
to have a clicker handy.
I am anything BUT Purely positive. I happen to think clickers can be a
useful tool. I also teach heel as a position. I also use target
training. i also use choke collars. And e-collars if necessary.

Ok. And they seem to work well for you. That's great.

Needless and un deserved insult in the other thread was certainly noted,
by the way.

Tara