Tammy Grimes from Dogs Deserve Better was arrested for helping a dying dog
..
Tammy Grimes, founder of Dogs Deserve Better, was arrested September 11,
2006 for helping a dying chained dog named Doogie who could not stand in
East Freedom, Pennsylvania. Below are the details of the case, with photo
and video documentation.

Tammy's statement: "I made a hard decision; this decision was that I could
not have lived with myself or looked myself in the eye if I were such a
coward as to leave Doogie lying there dying on the ground for fear of what
would happen to me. I see this case as a travesty against justice...the
true perpetrators of a crime are the people who left Doogie to lie there
dying for three days without doing right by him. I am very saddened that we
live in a society where people have to be afraid to do the right thing, to
help those in need, whether that need be human or animal. Arrests such as
mine are a pitiful statement for America, and I ask all dog lovers to stand
with me to insist that all charges against me are dropped and charges of
animal cruelty are instead placed against the Arnolds of East Freedom, PA.
The Arnolds who left Doogie to die. This video truly speaks for itself, and
for Doogie. I did what was morally right; I stand by my decision to help
him and will be proud of it until my dying day. No one can take that from
me."

More here

http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/doogie.html

Here's what I need from you all. View the videos and photos. I think you'll
agree with me that this is NOT acceptable in ANY way in any kind of
civilized society. We cannot allow this kind of animal abuse. Period. Not
ifs, ands, or buts. Insist that all charges against Tammy Grimes are
dropped and animal cruelty charges are instead filed against the Arnolds of
East Freedom, Pennsylvania. Pass along the photos and the video, or a link
to it, as much as you possibly can.


--
Alison
http://catinfolinks.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
http://doginfolinks.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
http://petinfolinks.mysite.orange.co.uk

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:29:43 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:

[...]
More here

http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/doogie.html

Yes, this appears to be a (yet another) sad case of animal neglect.

However, I'm having a bit of a problem with the part about where she
(Tammy Grimes) refused the officer's lawful request to return the dog
to the owner's property (after he had been treated by a vet), and then
expects others to help pay her attorney fees. There wouldn't be any
attorney fees if she had returned the dog when requested to do so.
Help with vet bills is something else altogether.

Yes, there is a chance that the dog might have suffered, even died,
had she obeyed that order. But he also might still be alive (and
suffering about the same as before), while Grimes pursued the case
through legal channels or with public authorities (which really
shouldn't take that long), as she should have done first, IMO. She
knew by then what condition the dog was actually in, and that it
wasn't good. The dog appears to be a candidate for euthanasia.

I'd also be interested in finding out what the Arnolds (the dog's
owners, apparently) think about all this.

And unless central Pennsylvania has some truly awful police and humane
officers, it's very surprising to me how angry the officers were at
Grimes' actions (if that part is true). Deputies, police officers, and
ACOs that I know might have ordered her to return the dog (that's why
we have laws against stealing someone else's property), but they also
would have been extremely sympathetic to Grimes and the dog.

Anyone else got a take on this?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. spit
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006...prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...2/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ama/article.do

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
However, I'm having a bit of a problem with the part about where she
(Tammy Grimes) refused the officer's lawful request to return the dog
to the owner's property (after he had been treated by a vet), and then
expects others to help pay her attorney fees.

I find it interesting that she claims "I made the decision that I would not
leave him lying there on the cold wet ground for one moment longer, and I
would accept all consequences of my decision" when, in fact, she has no
intention of accepting any consequences for her action except the ones she
chooses.

I'd certainly like to hear the other side of the case.

in thread .4: Mary
Healey whittled the following words:

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
However, I'm having a bit of a problem with the part about where she
(Tammy Grimes) refused the officer's lawful request to return the dog
to the owner's property (after he had been treated by a vet), and
then expects others to help pay her attorney fees.

I find it interesting that she claims "I made the decision that I would
accept all consequences of my decision"
when, in
fact, she has no intention of accepting any consequences for her
action except the ones she chooses.
I agree. If she accepts all the consequences.... then she accepts the fines
and legal fees. What a doofus. This whole thing can be dissmissed as a
lunatic scam.
Maybe Leah is visiting pennsylvania?

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:29:43 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:

[...]
More here

http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/doogie.html

Yes, this appears to be a (yet another) sad case of animal neglect.

However, I'm having a bit of a problem with the part about where she
(Tammy Grimes) refused the officer's lawful request to return the dog
to the owner's property (after he had been treated by a vet), and then
expects others to help pay her attorney fees. There wouldn't be any
attorney fees if she had returned the dog when requested to do so.
Help with vet bills is something else altogether.

Yes, there is a chance that the dog might have suffered, even died,
had she obeyed that order. But he also might still be alive (and
suffering about the same as before), while Grimes pursued the case
through legal channels or with public authorities (which really
shouldn't take that long), as she should have done first, IMO. She
knew by then what condition the dog was actually in, and that it
wasn't good. The dog appears to be a candidate for euthanasia.

I'd also be interested in finding out what the Arnolds (the dog's
owners, apparently) think about all this.

And unless central Pennsylvania has some truly awful police and humane
officers, it's very surprising to me how angry the officers were at
Grimes' actions (if that part is true). Deputies, police officers, and
ACOs that I know might have ordered her to return the dog (that's why
we have laws against stealing someone else's property), but they also
would have been extremely sympathetic to Grimes and the dog.

Anyone else got a take on this?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison


I find it interesting that the animal control officer was on his way
when he heard she had the dog. So had she actually given the proper
authorities time to act on the claims, it would have been handled by
them correctly. Instead she removed the animal from the scene and
casts doubt on any evidence of animal abuse, yet she expects animal
abuse charges to be filed. She needs to realize these things are meant
to be handled by the authorities, that's what we have them for.

Nick

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:55:55 -0500, diddy
wrote:

[]
I'd also be interested in finding out what the Arnolds (the dog's
owners, apparently) think about all this.

And unless central Pennsylvania has some truly awful police and humane
officers, it's very surprising to me how angry the officers were at
Grimes' actions (if that part is true). Deputies, police officers, and
ACOs that I know might have ordered her to return the dog (that's why
we have laws against stealing someone else's property), but they also
would have been extremely sympathetic to Grimes and the dog.

Anyone else got a take on this?


I had the same questions in my mind that you had. There just "Has" to be
another side of the story. When you break the law, instead of following
legal channels, it's just silly to expect sympathy for being a criminal, no
matter how well intentioned.

I bet there's more to the story, too.

Will we ever get to hear it?

Probably not.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. spit
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006...prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...2/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ama/article.do

On 13 Sep 2006 21:06:59 GMT, Mary Healey wrote:

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
However, I'm having a bit of a problem with the part about where she
(Tammy Grimes) refused the officer's lawful request to return the dog
to the owner's property (after he had been treated by a vet), and then
expects others to help pay her attorney fees.

I find it interesting that she claims "I made the decision that I would not
leave him lying there on the cold wet ground for one moment longer, and I
would accept all consequences of my decision" when, in fact, she has no
intention of accepting any consequences for her action except the ones she
chooses.

Yeah. She's kind of like the Clintons, eh?

I'd certainly like to hear the other side of the case.

Me too.

If I find out anything more, I'll be sure to share.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. spit
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006...prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...2/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ama/article.do

On 13 Sep 2006 14:30:34 -0700,
"
wrote:

[]
And unless central Pennsylvania has some truly awful police and humane
officers, it's very surprising to me how angry the officers were at
Grimes' actions (if that part is true). Deputies, police officers, and
ACOs that I know might have ordered her to return the dog (that's why
we have laws against stealing someone else's property), but they also
would have been extremely sympathetic to Grimes and the dog.

Anyone else got a take on this?

I find it interesting that the animal control officer was on his way
when he heard she had the dog. So had she actually given the proper
authorities time to act on the claims, it would have been handled by
them correctly.

I think so, too.

Instead she removed the animal from the scene and
casts doubt on any evidence of animal abuse, yet she expects animal
abuse charges to be filed.

Well, she's got videos and pictures, and a vet's report, so there's no
reason why those charges can't still be brought.

She needs to realize these things are meant
to be handled by the authorities, that's what we have them for.

Yup.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. spit
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006...prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...2/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ama/article.do

Living in this area I can completely see why she did it. I would have done
the same thing if it were me. It wouldn't have been the first dog I've
taken off a property because of abuse. If she hadn't the dog would not have
ever received any care and the animal control office might have showed up in
a couple of weeks.

There is 1 animal control agent for the area and the local police are
worthless in these situations. If the dog were lucky the animal control
office might have shown up in a couple of weeks and even then I doubt he
would have taken the dog. I know I've called before and you're lucky if he
ever does show up at all.

Celeste

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:29:43 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:

[...]
More here

http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/doogie.html

Yes, this appears to be a (yet another) sad case of animal neglect.

However, I'm having a bit of a problem with the part about where she
(Tammy Grimes) refused the officer's lawful request to return the dog
to the owner's property (after he had been treated by a vet), and then
expects others to help pay her attorney fees. There wouldn't be any
attorney fees if she had returned the dog when requested to do so.
Help with vet bills is something else altogether.

Yes, there is a chance that the dog might have suffered, even died,
had she obeyed that order. But he also might still be alive (and
suffering about the same as before), while Grimes pursued the case
through legal channels or with public authorities (which really
shouldn't take that long), as she should have done first, IMO. She
knew by then what condition the dog was actually in, and that it
wasn't good. The dog appears to be a candidate for euthanasia.

I'd also be interested in finding out what the Arnolds (the dog's
owners, apparently) think about all this.

And unless central Pennsylvania has some truly awful police and humane
officers, it's very surprising to me how angry the officers were at
Grimes' actions (if that part is true). Deputies, police officers, and
ACOs that I know might have ordered her to return the dog (that's why
we have laws against stealing someone else's property), but they also
would have been extremely sympathetic to Grimes and the dog.

Anyone else got a take on this?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. spit
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006...prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...2/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ama/article.do

so you going to be sending a check? why not send ELF one too while
you're at it?

If she had went home and say, walked her dogs, the dog would have been
picked up and dealt with by AC within the hour, that same night.

The dog is ancient, and dying, still, but now in stranger's hands not
in it's yard,
on it's meds due to her vigilante justice. With it's conditions, it
might end up outside there real soon too.

'saved' ? who will save us from her?

it's ok to accuse, judge,condemn, trespass and steal without the owner
ever knowing?
yeah support that. then if/when your dog is old and ill, and you don't
say goodbye soon enough for some, they'll feel free to terrorize you.
great idea,NOT.

Spot wrote:
Living in this area I can completely see why she did it. I would have done
the same thing if it were me. It wouldn't have been the first dog I've
taken off a property because of abuse.