HOWEDY diddler you pathetic slack jawed slope headed animal murderin
retard,

diddy wrote:
in thread oups.com:
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whittled the following words:

diddy wrote:
When an owner opts to allow his dog to live at large, and be free
roaming, they should sign a contract with themselves.

I accept my dog is at risk. (from many sources to innumerable to list)

SNIP IDIOCY

Then Fence your dog.

Yeah? It didn't work for diddler:

Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner.

Will they survive life out in the wilderness out
amongst the coyote traps?

Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?

Or will they live again to do a help dummy
diddy do a demonstration on safe and
responsible pet ownership in the
kitchen with the vet's office kitten?

Stay tuned, fans...

From: Kathy Levee )
Subject: Off Topic --MISSING DOGS
Date: 1999/04/14

I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with
Disney. Parks, but since those of us on this
newsgroup are from all over the country, I thought
you would understand this one time intrusion. We
are desperate to find these dogs....Please, if you
have any information, contact the e-mail address
at the bottom of the note. Thank you for your
understanding.........

Karyl Parks' (aka diddler) dog Danny - Ch. Alpha's
Decorum (I think that is his correct registered name) is
missing . For those that have never met Danny -
he is very special. Both trained for Search and
Rescue

You'd think the dog could find his
own way back to his HOWES???

as well as service dog trained, CDX, etc.

But IT can't find ITS way back to his own HOWES?

He does all the things that service dogs do

Like run HOWET on his people and not return?

from opening doors, turning on lights, getting
clothes and shoes.

You FORGOT MURDERIN the vet's office kitty kat
and escaping and destructively chewing a rug and
gettin locked in a box in an HOWEtbuilding to muffle
his CRYING till he was SHITTIN BLOOD and went in
for intestinal obstruction.

He is a marvel.

Naaah. You want a MARVEL? Marvel at that
STUPID KAT that PAINICKED when diddler
snared IT in her leg hold STRANGLE / CHOKE
choke trap. She'd have BLUDGEONED IT had
IT not been wearin a collar. Perhaps she was
lookin for a REWARD, bein a SUBSISTANCE
hunter and all.

While I think the idea is good, it doesn't account for the grief some
of us feel after having hit someone else's dog after it ran out in
front of our car. I felt horrible when I hit a dog, and the welfare
of the dog was by far my first concern, not my car which was smoking
as a result of the cracked radiator. It upset me for several weeks.

I suppose the owner of the dog blamed you for hitting his dog.

Naaah. It's ALWAYS the dog owner's fault.

You should have sued the owner for mental anguish

That'd be far fetched:

From: michael
Date: Tues, Jul 2 2002 5:33 pm
Email: michael

J1Boss wrote:

And if I recall correctly, she practically bragged about the
fact that her homeowners insurance paid for the fender
damage of the speeding driver who ran over Lindy.

Don't make me look it up.

--
this is michael

Brag? I was actually pretty annoyed by the whole matter.

BTW - he didn't run her over. He struck her in the head. It was a horrible
experience. I truly hope you never have to feel that kind of pain.

Here's what I wrote:

From: J1Boss )
Subject: Allstate won't insure my house due to dangerous breed
Date: 1999/01/11

The only thing Allstate does in reaction to my being a dog owner is
give
me a DISCOUNT for "SECURITY SYSTEM"! They have never asked
me what breed or mix my dog(s) are, and I've never seen the "breed
ban list". There is no breed-specific legislation in most of Maryland.

My homeowner's policy DID pay over $2300 to cover automobile
damage for the person who killed my dog recently. My rates
don't change, I'm not dropped, my dogs weren't questioned.

Perhaps there is more to the "judgement" criteria than meets the eye.

Janet BossBR
Best Friends Dog ObedienceBR
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"BR
BR
"Read your question for the obvious answer"

There you were bragging to somebody else about how good your allstate
insurance was. That your rates didn't change, even though you paid
somebody $2300 for killing your dog. You were happy about that. Happy
you didn't have to pay for it out of your own pocket. Feelin' pretty
good about yourself and your choice in insurers.

You were happy your rates didn't change. You were happy you weren't
dropped. You were happy your (remaining) dogs weren't "questioned" by
your all powerful insurance company which you work so hard to remain in
good favor of.

Janet Boss
Nice surgery for the Family Pet due to Incompetent training
Run over my dog and I'll pay you.

have a nice day starving your dogs so people will think you are a
"responsible" dog owner.

Janet.

My insurance company paid over $2300 to fix someone's car after my dog was hit
and killed. If the car had hit a deer, the car owner's insurance would have
had to pay. The leash law in my county meant that even without INTENTIONAL off
leash circumstances, the car driver had a right to compensation from my
homeowner's insurance, even though he was very much speeding.

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

--
this is michael
reporting live...
from the new muzzle of dog training

http://dogtv.com

kathy's plea for the return of diddler's ESCAPED LOST dogs continues:

He is nine years old but does not
show his age - he is about 60 pounds 22 1/2
inches, dark face. By tomorrow I will have a
picture available.

Monday night he was put out to do his business
along with Taya another elkie. At 10:00pm - both
he and Taya were gone from Karyl's yard.

She heard nothing and the gate was open but
opened inward. Danny was neutered in the last
year so is not of any use to anyone for breeding.

Karyl has handed out over 1,200 flyers today -
gone to the schools where Danny was well
known - he did demonstrations, talked to
neighbors and combed the neighborhood.

She lives in farm
country outside Greenville, Ohio.

Danny is a tall elkie - very handsome -
microchipped. I am looking for a picture I took
when he visited here two years ago. He was not
wearing a collar when lost. Karyl will talk to
postal workers, garbage truck drivers, county
road crews, meter readers, tomorrow - has
already contacted law enforcement and shelters.

Please for anyone in the area or who can cross
post this to other lists do it. This dog is Karyl's
life and she can not imagine life without him.

Taya - also an elkhound her parents dog - spayed
female five years old. Small size - I think only
about 18 inches. They could be together or
separate - Taya did have a collar on. Do not
know if she is microchipped.

Karyl's email is

Thank you for your understanding......we're
posting this to every list we are involved with
and pray for their safe return.

Ummm, better RETHINK THAT. Your PAL diddler
is a Satanist or somethin weird like that.

Kathy

==============================*===

You call tying the dog to a wall training, diddler, like
HOWE you trained your fence to train your dog?


diddy wrote:

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

We have a beagle. Before we got our last one, we
knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing the fence.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

What we did.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
Wood ties under gates. A chicken wire apron extending
out into the yard 12 inches. (hog ringed to the upright
fencing). We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
and ground conforming. grass grows right over it, making
it invisible and easy to mow over. It's tacked down by tent
stakes every 10 inches. (this is our most considerable
investment)

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot. We placed tile
blocks over the top, because the tent stakes stick up,
and sometimes get hit by the lawnmower.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke down
sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

When the weather breaks, a whole new fence
is in order, but the system works MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
but both needed occassional maintenence.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

What we did.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
and erase any identifiable fenceline.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
foot trolly line that crosses the yard.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
always worked when immediate repairs or extra
security is desired.

If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
to the trolly line, whether the containment system
is currently working or not.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

It's great for emergency situations, and the $17
last resort system gets used for the beagle far
more than I ever expected. It still allows reasonable
exercise range of area and mobility. The elkhounds
and the beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest
piece of mind security ever.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

A trolly tether system is the best for temporary
containment while discovering where the leak
is. In the snow, it's easy to discover the
leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

I do not like, or use our current underground collar system

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!

From: diddy
Date: Mon, Jan 10 2005 9:23 am
Email: diddy
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds

That IS dangerous. And if you saw the dog, you would agree
even more. It's NOT a technique should be used by joe blow
public. And certainly NOT on every dog. In fact, it's the
first time I ever used it with effect. And I certainly would
NOT use it on my dogs. Never did, never will.

The fact is, it did make a turning point in that dog's life.
It's a terribly dangerous maneuver. But it can be effective.
Monks of New Skete have the experience to use it. They erred
in that they put it in a book for general people consumption
regarding their techniques.

There are many techniques out there in dog training that have
value, but should not be used by joe ignoramoose public. Or
often. But because they made a huge mistake by recommending
it, not taking into consideration their readers may not have
any experience, does not make EVERY one of their books bad.

In fact, one is VERY good.

Tools are simply tools. It's when they get in the wrong hands
or applied wrong is when things go astray.

Nor is one disagreement the reason to disparage an entire genre.
Any more than disagreeing with a person is reason to say that
person is completely bad.

I have met many VERY messed up products of positive training
rejects. I'm not saying positive training is bad. I'm simply
saying the methods were most likely poorly understood and
applied by some idiot. And there ARE some dogs, such as this
rescue, where they didn't work at all. This dog was trained by
two trainers skilled in positive training methods who have had
many success stories in the past. This particular dog simply
needed to reach further in the tool box.

He was initially a VERY vexing dog.

His failure in positive training methods do not reflect
incompetence by the trainers or the methods.

ANY training method can and will at some point fail based on
individuals. As stated here in the past, it takes an entire
tool box to train dogs. Some tools you want to use VERY sparingly
and some you hope you never need to use.

I have no idea what a WPOS is or

why you are going on at *me* about people having closed
minds about the Monks of Skete!

You chimed in on the bandwagon disparaging the monks of new
skete. regarding the WPoS comment, it was a theoretical
example of disparagement that didn't apply, except for use
as an example.

It was the attitude ..it's bad! it's bad! just because it's
the current fad here to do so, that brought me chiming in.

I have read Monks of New Skete. I got something out of them.
Are their books something I would recommend to a new puppy owner?

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"diddy" wrote in message
...
in thread : Janet B
whittled the following words:

Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever, whenever they leave
the house and/or overnight, or how many choose to wean from household
crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the crate, not the dog
choosing to hang out there) at some specific ages or maturity levels.

Not for how long during a workday, but how long for a dog's lifespan?

I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised (which isn't often..
he usually is with me) Until the day that he quits tearing apart
everything in sight when I leave the room.

A dog proof room doesn't work.

He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.

He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.

Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested

razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!

Mom really gets bent too!

nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for some time to come.

As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.

She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy, so a
crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.

Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.

Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.

I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.

Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.

Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.

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"diddy" wrote in message
...

in thread :
"Sarah" whittled the following words:

Anyone have any suggestions for a golden (1yr old)
who won't stop retrieving my son's toys, especially
stuffed animals.

I have an elkhound that does this all day long.
I simply **take it from her, put it on my desk,
and give her a cookie and tell her "THANK YOU"
She never stops either

IOW, you got THE SAME PROBLEM and NO METHOD,
eh diddler?

As a result, my desk top looks like a disaster area,

Duh? You need a EXXXCUSE?

and when I can't find my monitor any more, I take a
huge sweep of the arm and knock them all on
the floor.

And do it again...

Then she goes to work picking them all up again,
insuring that NOTHING ever touches the floor.

Yeah...

I feel blessed.

INDEEDY!

I used to have TWO compulsive retrieving elkhounds

Your dogs are HYPERACTIVE on accHOWENT of you ABUSE THEM, diddler.

working overtime!

IN FACT, you CAN'T STOP THEM.

That's what the OP wanted to learn HOWE to do, diddler.

REMEMBER?

Ahhhh for those days again!

You been takin your anti psychotic medications, diddler?

I want the original back!

You got it, diddler.

A full desk means I'm loved.

That so?

She's not the problem.

That's right, diddler:

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

If you can't take the 2-3 months of puppy training

Should take two or three days if you're REALLY inept, diddler.

to a reliable lifetime.

Like HOWE you done with your own dogs, diddler?

Let's talk abHOWET your TRACKIN dog RUNNIN HOWET on
you an GETTIN LOST, DESPITE your SHOCK FENCE, eh diddler?

I suggest you don't have kids.

You got yourself a RETARDED kid, don't you, diddler.

They take YEARS out of your night sleep time.

Only if you're a genetic defect, diddler.

You need a realistic grip on just what housebreaking a puppy _is_.

Yeah, we was just talkin abHOWET effective TRAININ, eh diddler?