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Old September 24th 06, 06:39 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Hi all, I took my Terrier/Chihuahua mix Mimi to the groomers today to
have her claws trimmed. I suggested to the groomer that Mimi be
muzzled as I was worried that she may bite as she HATES going there,
even though I trust the groomers will do a great job. Once the muzzle
was put on, Mimi frantically tried to get it off and inadvertently tore
off her dew claw. They treated it and once I got home, gave Mimi half
a baby aspirin for pain. This is the 2nd time this year she has torn
off her dew claw. Has anyone else had any problems with their dogs
tearing their dew claws off more than once? Anyone ever have the dew
claws surgically removed to prevent future injuries? Thanks.

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Old September 24th 06, 01:48 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"DeeDee" wrote in message
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Hi all, I took my Terrier/Chihuahua mix Mimi to the groomers today to
have her claws trimmed. I suggested to the groomer that Mimi be
muzzled as I was worried that she may bite as she HATES going there,
even though I trust the groomers will do a great job. Once the muzzle
was put on, Mimi frantically tried to get it off and inadvertently tore
off her dew claw. They treated it and once I got home, gave Mimi half
a baby aspirin for pain. This is the 2nd time this year she has torn
off her dew claw. Has anyone else had any problems with their dogs
tearing their dew claws off more than once? Anyone ever have the dew
claws surgically removed to prevent future injuries? Thanks.

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Yes, My Rotty's dew claws were removed. I think it is best to remove them
as they catch on to everything and tear and then bleed and possibly become
infected if torn open. I was not the one who had it done, however, the
Rotty Rescue wanted it done and they also paid to do it. So, before
ownership papers were exchanged, I had to take her to their vet to have it
done.


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Old September 24th 06, 01:59 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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In article t,
pfoley wrote:
Yes, My Rotty's dew claws were removed. I think it is best to remove them
as they catch on to everything and tear and then bleed and possibly become
infected if torn open.


??? Could this be related to your grooming habits? I've
never had a dewclaw tear on any of my dogs. I've had
dewclaws removed when they weren't attached (i.e. when it
was just the skin attaching them to the leg, and they were
floppy as a result), but otherwise tend to leave them as
they were when I acquired the dog. My vet said that she
will not remove them unless there's a problem, since it's
basically cosmetic surgery otherwise, and not trivial for
the dog.

Mushers routinely remove dewclaws when the puppies are a few
days old. The issue there is not that the dewclaws catch
and tear, but that pressure from booties pushes the dewclaw
against the leg, and sores tend to develop under the dewclaw
as a result. Three of my dogs have no dewclaws as a
result. The other four do, and all of the dogs I've had in
the past have had them as well.

Better hygiene, dude.
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Old September 24th 06, 03:47 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article t,
pfoley wrote:
Yes, My Rotty's dew claws were removed. I think it is best to remove

them
as they catch on to everything and tear and then bleed and possibly

become
infected if torn open.


??? Could this be related to your grooming habits? I've
never had a dewclaw tear on any of my dogs. I've had
dewclaws removed when they weren't attached (i.e. when it
was just the skin attaching them to the leg, and they were
floppy as a result), but otherwise tend to leave them as
they were when I acquired the dog. My vet said that she
will not remove them unless there's a problem, since it's
basically cosmetic surgery otherwise, and not trivial for
the dog.

Mushers routinely remove dewclaws when the puppies are a few
days old. The issue there is not that the dewclaws catch
and tear, but that pressure from booties pushes the dewclaw
against the leg, and sores tend to develop under the dewclaw
as a result. Three of my dogs have no dewclaws as a
result. The other four do, and all of the dogs I've had in
the past have had them as well.

Better hygiene, dude.
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Sorry, don't know what you are talking about. I did not remove the dew
claws, the Rottweiler Rescue had them removed. The vet said people have
them removed because they catch onto things and tear and bleed, thus many
times become infected. This was a good thing, and not done by me. It was
done while being handed over to me by the Rotty Rescue group, and they
wanted it done. I never asked them to do it or pay for it; they wanted it
done. My dog has excellent care all year long.


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Old September 24th 06, 03:52 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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In article et,
pfoley wrote:
The vet said people have
them removed because they catch onto things and tear and bleed, thus many
times become infected.


I've heard of it happening, although it's never happened to
me, but it seems to be rather rare. The dogs most
susceptible to it are those with detached dewclaws, which
should be removed. You suggested that it's a common
problem, which it's certainly not.

In your writing you're quite prone to using absolutes and
universals when it's not warranted. It's why you're
frequently incorrect on your facts. Hedging your statements
would improve their accuracy.
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Old September 24th 06, 04:01 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article et,
pfoley wrote:
The vet said people have
them removed because they catch onto things and tear and bleed, thus many
times become infected.


I've heard of it happening, although it's never happened to
me, but it seems to be rather rare. The dogs most
susceptible to it are those with detached dewclaws, which
should be removed. You suggested that it's a common
problem, which it's certainly not.

In your writing you're quite prone to using absolutes and
universals when it's not warranted. It's why you're
frequently incorrect on your facts. Hedging your statements
would improve their accuracy.
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

======
The vet told me that stuff; I did not take her to the vet to have them
removed. The Rescue group told me to do it. I complied and asked the vet
why it had to be done.
Some people also have it done for cosmetic reasons. But, this was done to
prevent tears.
I am sorry you do not like my responses.


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Old September 24th 06, 04:19 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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In article t,
pfoley wrote:
Some people also have it done for cosmetic reasons. But, this was done to
prevent tears.


Here's what you posted:

I think it is best to remove them as they catch on to
everything and tear and then bleed and possibly become
infected if torn open.

That is factually incorrect. Dew claws do not catch on
"everything." They rarely catch on anything. Sometimes
they do and in a subset of those cases they become torn and
in a subset of those cases they become infected, but it's
not common. What you posted was 1) wrong, and 2)
histrionic. What you post is frequently 1) wrong, and 2)
histrionic. If you're interested in actually being helpful
you might consider ratcheting it back a notch or three.

Unless the dewclaw is naturally detached, dewclaw removal
surgery is actually an amputation and it involves cutting
through a joint. It's not something I would undertake on an
adult dog with an adult skeleton on the slight chance it may
become injured (heck, why not cut off all the toes?). This
isn't the first goofy thing I've heard coming out of a
rescue organization and unfortunately I'm sure it won't be
the last.
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Old September 24th 06, 11:38 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article t,
pfoley wrote:
Some people also have it done for cosmetic reasons. But, this was done to
prevent tears.


Here's what you posted:

I think it is best to remove them as they catch on to
everything and tear and then bleed and possibly become
infected if torn open.

That is factually incorrect. Dew claws do not catch on
"everything." They rarely catch on anything. Sometimes
they do and in a subset of those cases they become torn and
in a subset of those cases they become infected, but it's
not common. What you posted was 1) wrong, and 2)
histrionic. What you post is frequently 1) wrong, and 2)
histrionic. If you're interested in actually being helpful
you might consider ratcheting it back a notch or three.

Unless the dewclaw is naturally detached, dewclaw removal
surgery is actually an amputation and it involves cutting
through a joint. It's not something I would undertake on an
adult dog with an adult skeleton on the slight chance it may
become injured (heck, why not cut off all the toes?). This
isn't the first goofy thing I've heard coming out of a
rescue organization and unfortunately I'm sure it won't be
the last.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

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My dog had no problem having it done. I don't think any joint was cut. She
was in and out in a few hours and healed fast. She did not limp or was in
any pain. Dew claws are not necessary and do tear and bleed if caught on
things; you don't have to remove your dew claws if you don't want to. My
vet and the rescue wanted it done on my dog. If a dog does not have any
problems with them, then it might not be necessary. Apparently, the OP is
having a problem with her dog tearing his dew claw. It has happened twice
to her dog so far. I would think that might be a problem for her dog, and
so suggested to her what my experts told me, and what was done to my dog.
As stated a few times now to you, this was not my idea, but the
professionals. Why are you always so angry?


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Old September 25th 06, 12:05 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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In article et,
pfoley wrote:
Why are you always so angry?


The tone of my posts probably reflects a certain level of
frustration with your consistently lousy advice. It's not
that I'm angry, per se, but rather than that I think you're
a self-aggrandizing idiot and I don't know how to convey
that in a more neutral tone.

Dewclaws do not catch on "everything." Dewclaw injuries are
not common. And if you actually knew anything about dog
anatomy, structure, and movement, you'd know that while the
jury is still out it's been noticed that agility dogs
without dewclaws seem to have a greater incidence of carpal
arthritis than dogs without dewclaws. The front dewclaw is
the insertion point for a ligament which holds the carpal
joint together. You're recommending amputating the dog's
thumbs without understanding what it is that you're actually
recommending.
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Old September 25th 06, 01:21 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article et,
pfoley wrote:
Why are you always so angry?


The tone of my posts probably reflects a certain level of
frustration with your consistently lousy advice. It's not
that I'm angry, per se, but rather than that I think you're
a self-aggrandizing idiot and I don't know how to convey
that in a more neutral tone.

Dewclaws do not catch on "everything." Dewclaw injuries are
not common. And if you actually knew anything about dog
anatomy, structure, and movement, you'd know that while the
jury is still out it's been noticed that agility dogs
without dewclaws seem to have a greater incidence of carpal
arthritis than dogs without dewclaws. The front dewclaw is
the insertion point for a ligament which holds the carpal
joint together. You're recommending amputating the dog's
thumbs without understanding what it is that you're actually
recommending.
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Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

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As stated in this case, I went by the advice of a vet and rescue group. You
don't have to remove them if you don't want to. I was told to do this.
But, thanks for your comments anyway. You sure sound like an angry person
to me, no matter who you respond to.



 




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