I am a dog lover, cat lover, an all around animal lover. The fact is I
am not a lawyer and I need advice on beating the vicious dog wrap. My
dog isn't vicious but how do I prove that to a judge??

wrote:
I am a dog lover, cat lover, an all around animal lover. The fact is I
am not a lawyer and I need advice on beating the vicious dog wrap. My
dog isn't vicious but how do I prove that to a judge??


First off, quit calling your dog your "son". It makes you look like a
looney. Every single person here is passionate about their animals and
calling a dog a dog in no way diminishes that relationship.

Let's summarize here...

Your dog attacked your neighbor's cat.

The attack went on for 5 to 10 minutes, in your presence, and you were
unable to stop it.

And now you want to know how to beat the rap.

Vicious is as vicious does. What if it had been a child? An actual
human child?

Kathleen

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:43:23 -0500, Kathleen
wrote:

wrote:
I am a dog lover, cat lover, an all around animal lover. The fact is I
am not a lawyer and I need advice on beating the vicious dog wrap. My
dog isn't vicious but how do I prove that to a judge??


First off, quit calling your dog your "son". It makes you look like a
looney. Every single person here is passionate about their animals and
calling a dog a dog in no way diminishes that relationship.

Let's summarize here...

Your dog attacked your neighbor's cat.

The attack went on for 5 to 10 minutes, in your presence, and you were
unable to stop it.

And now you want to know how to beat the rap.

Vicious is as vicious does. What if it had been a child? An actual
human child?

Oh, please. A dog attacking a cat is prey drive. The fact that a dog
attacks and even kills a dog does not make it vicious, nor does it
mean the dog is going to attack human children.

Mustang Sally

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Oh, please. A dog attacking a cat is prey drive. The fact that a dog
attacks and even kills a dog does not make it vicious,

That should be, attacks and even kills a cat.

Mustang Sally

And if it had been a small dog, say a toy poodle? Would that make it
vicious?
I'm no expert by any means, but, if a dog is uncontrolled, and will not let
off and
attacks and harms any animal or human ,Especially in the presence of it's
owner ,that Dog is vicious.
A dog that is not controllable, often does harm other animals. He should
never be allowed to do so again.
Dogs are not people.They don't want to be our children. This is coming from
an admitted dog parent(myself) who firmly believes dogs need training, and
that we as humans MUST have proper control of our pets at all
times.Otherwise, we give up the privilege of having pets.
Which is sad for the animal,who at best will live kenneled or crated with
minimal interaction and socializations.YMMV
"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Oh, please. A dog attacking a cat is prey drive. The fact that a dog
attacks and even kills a dog does not make it vicious,

That should be, attacks and even kills a cat.

Mustang Sally

Just Mel wrote:
And if it had been a small dog, say a toy poodle? Would that make it
vicious?

No, that wouldn't make it vicious. In most cases, when a dog attacks a
cat or small dog, it's due to prey drive. That means it needs to be
supervised carefully so that it cannot harm small animals. But it
doesn't mean the dog is vicious or will bite children or adult humans.

I'm no expert by any means, but, if a dog is uncontrolled, and will not let
off and
attacks and harms any animal or human ,Especially in the presence of it's
owner ,that Dog is vicious.

My definition of vicious differs from yours. I've known lots of very
nice dogs that would harm small animals but would not dream of harming
humans.

A dog that is not controllable, often does harm other animals. He should
never be allowed to do so again.

Um, okay. I don't recall saying that dogs should be allowed to run
loose and harm other animals. Certainly, I don't think they should.

Dogs are not people.They don't want to be our children. This is coming from
an admitted dog parent(myself) who firmly believes dogs need training, and
that we as humans MUST have proper control of our pets at all
times.Otherwise, we give up the privilege of having pets.

I'm quite aware that dogs are not people, which is why I don't refer to
myself as a dog parent. You apparently have interpreted my statement
that going after a cat is due to prey drive and doesn't equate to
viciousness or human aggression to mean that I think dogs don't need
training and/or don't need to be controlled. That's not what I
believe, nor have I ever said such things.

Mustang Sally


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sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Oh, please. A dog attacking a cat is prey drive. The fact that a dog
attacks and even kills a dog does not make it vicious,

That should be, attacks and even kills a cat.

Mustang Sally

On 10 Oct 2006 14:16:42 -0700, "sighthounds & siberians"
wrote:

My definition of vicious differs from yours. I've known lots of very
nice dogs that would harm small animals but would not dream of harming
humans.

And, in fact, "harming small animals" is specifically what many breeds
were created for.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Shelly wrote:
On 10 Oct 2006 14:16:42 -0700, "sighthounds & siberians"
wrote:

My definition of vicious differs from yours. I've known lots of very
nice dogs that would harm small animals but would not dream of harming
humans.

And, in fact, "harming small animals" is specifically what many breeds
were created for.

That's true. Examples would be several dogs living in my home,
although they do not attempt to harm my indoor cats.

Mustang Sally

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote:
My definition of vicious differs from yours. I've known lots of very
nice dogs that would harm small animals but would not dream of harming
humans.

I live with three of them. I've lived with 2 others.

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/10833...38642152JjPKme

On 10 Oct 2006 21:46:31 GMT, Mary Healey wrote:

I live with three of them. I've lived with 2 others.

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/10833...38642152JjPKme

Yaknow, there's something about cattle dogs that looks a little pit-ish.
Harriet must be vicious, as well, for she loveloveloves the boold of
wabbits.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be
Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since.
-- Salvador Dali