Offal = hearts, kidneys, liver

All quantities already stated and those below are based on a 30kg Golden
Retriever.

Eggs - 2 a week
Supplement - Didn't know if you could get this overseas: Greenpet Natural
Nutritional Supplement. 1 tablespoon daily
Oil - Greenpet Omega Plus Oil. 1-2 teaspoons daily
Apple Cider Vinegar - 3 tablespoons daily

Regarding quantities of each ingredient, your supplement of choice and oil
will state how much to use. As for the rest, it isn't an exact science...
you don't measure out how much of each foodstuff you have yourself each
day... similarly you don't need to be perfectly exact on these quantities
either, but just use some common sense.

Iain

www.pawstoplay.com.au
Dog Walking and Pet Minding in Sydneys Inner West


"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
buglady wrote:
........This is actually a pretty good recipe, but you're right, it needs
amounts, especially calcium/pound of meat. And I'm not convinced dogs
needs
fruits and veges.

A dog doing very high-output sprinty kinds of things who
will be doing very high-output sprinty kinds of things
tomorrow, too, will benefit from carbohydrates for muscle
glycogen replenishment. I'd rather get it from a supplement
like Glycocharge, though, mostly because I'm a control freak
and want to be sure that they're getting the right amount.
Otherwise, fiber is good but I wouldn't overdo the carbs.
And I say this as someone who occasionally sports a "CHOOSE
CARBS" t-shirt, but that applies to humans.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

What Republicans have done to the US's fiscal health:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/...a_the_bankrupt

"Iain Bishop" wrote in message
...
Offal = hearts, kidneys, liver

..,,,,.Heart may be considered offal, but it's a muscle meat, not an organ
and can be fed often if you want. Organs such as liver should comprise
about 10% of the total meat. Kidney is a very rich organ and shouldn't be
fed daily unless in small amounts.

All quantities already stated and those below are based on a 30kg Golden
Retriever.

Eggs - 2 a week
.........I feed eggs daily - that would have been a lot of calcium if I also
fed the shells.

Supplement - Didn't know if you could get this overseas: Greenpet Natural
Nutritional Supplement. 1 tablespoon daily

http://greenpet.com.au/product_info....&osCsid=7 fed
1e8cf04ab7d416627beed34ccfaa
*It contains a blend of highly nutritious foods & supplements to help
maintain optimum health. Contains vitamins, minerals, enzymes, trace
elements and fatty acids. Flax meal, rice bran, dolomite, kelp, spirulina,
green barley powder, nettle, alfalfa, garlic, rosehips & blackstrap
molasses.*

I'm not a big fan of these kinds of products. This is sort of like MIssing
Link. It has too many ingredients and a dog may react to one of them.
Garlic comes to mind here - toy dogs seem more reactive than other dogs.
Nettle is an herb - and I think that herbs should be used when needed, not
on a daily basis. And dogs who have plant allergies may be allergic to it.
.........I could see adding rice bran to a kibble food, but since this isn't
kibble, don't think it's necessary. And apparently if it's not stabilized
rice bran it can go rancid pretty quick.
Rice bran: http://www.labradorwell.com/RiceBran.html
.....And I don't know where the enzymes are.

..........to me, since you're preparing the food yourself, you'd be better
off rotating the sea vegetables in your ration. That's the value of home
preparing food - you can adjust it to what the dog needs.

Oil - Greenpet Omega Plus Oil. 1-2 teaspoons daily
................if this omega supplement doesn't have Vit E, I'd add it.
Vitamin E keeps the EFAs from oxidizing in the body.
Apple Cider Vinegar - 3 tablespoons daily

Regarding quantities of each ingredient, your supplement of choice and oil
will state how much to use. As for the rest, it isn't an exact science...
you don't measure out how much of each foodstuff you have yourself each
day... similarly you don't need to be perfectly exact on these quantities
either, but just use some common sense.

..........Yes, that's true, but still certain rules should be followed as
dogs aren't humans and the physiology is different. And it definitely isn't
true for calcium. Puppies, especially shouldn't get too much as they can't
regulate calcium uptake. Calcium can also interfere with uptake of other
minerals if it is fed in excess.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/132/6/1665S
*The results demonstrate that dogs younger than 4 to 5 mo are not able to
adjust the digestibility of Ca in relation to the Ca intake at 100% of
requirements. Not only the inability to downregulate the aD but also the
inability to increase the uptake in the case of an insufficient intake in
young growing dogs makes it necessary to adjust precisely the daily supply
of Ca to the requirements.*

.......... The ratio of Ca:P in dog food should be between 1:1 - 2:1 For
those of you not familiar with preparing your own dog food, the phosphorus
(P) is in the meat (and cereals) and if you're not feeding bone with the
meat, you need to add calcium (Ca) to balance out the phosphorus to get the
above ratio. My suggestion is that if you are interested in home preparing
meals, join a dog nutrition group for support.
......A website with a lot of links WRT nutrition:
http://www.dogaware.com/dogfeeding.html

buglady
take out the dog before replying

Buglady,

Thanks very much for all this information.
I'll be sure to check out those links.

Iain

www.pawstoplay.com.au
Dog Walking and Pet Minding in Sydneys Inner West

"buglady" wrote in message
.net...
"Iain Bishop" wrote in message
...
Offal = hearts, kidneys, liver

.,,,,.Heart may be considered offal, but it's a muscle meat, not an organ
and can be fed often if you want. Organs such as liver should comprise
about 10% of the total meat. Kidney is a very rich organ and shouldn't be
fed daily unless in small amounts.

All quantities already stated and those below are based on a 30kg Golden
Retriever.

Eggs - 2 a week
........I feed eggs daily - that would have been a lot of calcium if I
also
fed the shells.

Supplement - Didn't know if you could get this overseas: Greenpet Natural
Nutritional Supplement. 1 tablespoon daily

http://greenpet.com.au/product_info....&osCsid=7 fed
1e8cf04ab7d416627beed34ccfaa
*It contains a blend of highly nutritious foods & supplements to help
maintain optimum health. Contains vitamins, minerals, enzymes, trace
elements and fatty acids. Flax meal, rice bran, dolomite, kelp, spirulina,
green barley powder, nettle, alfalfa, garlic, rosehips & blackstrap
molasses.*

I'm not a big fan of these kinds of products. This is sort of like
MIssing
Link. It has too many ingredients and a dog may react to one of them.
Garlic comes to mind here - toy dogs seem more reactive than other dogs.
Nettle is an herb - and I think that herbs should be used when needed,
not
on a daily basis. And dogs who have plant allergies may be allergic to
it.
........I could see adding rice bran to a kibble food, but since this
isn't
kibble, don't think it's necessary. And apparently if it's not stabilized
rice bran it can go rancid pretty quick.
Rice bran: http://www.labradorwell.com/RiceBran.html
....And I don't know where the enzymes are.

.........to me, since you're preparing the food yourself, you'd be better
off rotating the sea vegetables in your ration. That's the value of home
preparing food - you can adjust it to what the dog needs.

Oil - Greenpet Omega Plus Oil. 1-2 teaspoons daily
...............if this omega supplement doesn't have Vit E, I'd add it.
Vitamin E keeps the EFAs from oxidizing in the body.
Apple Cider Vinegar - 3 tablespoons daily

Regarding quantities of each ingredient, your supplement of choice and
oil
will state how much to use. As for the rest, it isn't an exact science...
you don't measure out how much of each foodstuff you have yourself each
day... similarly you don't need to be perfectly exact on these quantities
either, but just use some common sense.

.........Yes, that's true, but still certain rules should be followed as
dogs aren't humans and the physiology is different. And it definitely
isn't
true for calcium. Puppies, especially shouldn't get too much as they
can't
regulate calcium uptake. Calcium can also interfere with uptake of other
minerals if it is fed in excess.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/132/6/1665S
*The results demonstrate that dogs younger than 4 to 5 mo are not able to
adjust the digestibility of Ca in relation to the Ca intake at 100% of
requirements. Not only the inability to downregulate the aD but also the
inability to increase the uptake in the case of an insufficient intake in
young growing dogs makes it necessary to adjust precisely the daily supply
of Ca to the requirements.*

.......... The ratio of Ca:P in dog food should be between 1:1 - 2:1 For
those of you not familiar with preparing your own dog food, the phosphorus
(P) is in the meat (and cereals) and if you're not feeding bone with the
meat, you need to add calcium (Ca) to balance out the phosphorus to get
the
above ratio. My suggestion is that if you are interested in home
preparing
meals, join a dog nutrition group for support.
.....A website with a lot of links WRT nutrition:
http://www.dogaware.com/dogfeeding.html

buglady
take out the dog before replying

shelly wrote:

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:06:18 -0500, elegy
wrote:


really? both of mine will eat an entire egg, shell and all, without a
second thought. maybe they're just weird


Harriet, who is definitely weird, will eat just the shells (sans egg) if
she gets half a chance.

On two separate occaisons Zane filched raw eggs set out on the counter
to come to room temperature. My bad. I forget that he has the
incredible elasto-neck and prehensile lips. Both time he dropped the
egg on the kitchen floor and licked up as much of the goo as he could
get without eating too much crunchy stuff. The remainder glued itself
to the floor as it dried.

On a hike near the river I realized that Cooper was awfully interested
in a small bush, and that he was being awfully quiet. When I caught up
to him he was frantically slurping up the eggy-embryos from the remains
of (probably) three speckled brown eggs. Blurgh... He left the shells
but not much else. I felt really bad about it, but he was pretty damned
pleased with himself. Now I know the origin of the phrase "Grinning
like an egg-sucking dog".

Scully's the only one I've ever witnessed eating egg shell. She found a
rogue Easter egg and gobbled it down shell and all while running away
from the other two dogs. For all I know she might have preferred it
peeled, but refused to risk having one of the other dogs snatch her prize.

Kathleen

okay Odd as it may seem every sat. night I take 4 eggs, carrots peeled to
almost a paste and throw it all in a blender shells and all. add some fresh
garlic a pat of butter and then microwave the whole thing till its dry and
crunchy. that's the girls treats for Sunday.
they love it. weirdly so did my hubby till I told him what it was.
"buglady" wrote in message
.net...
"Iain Bishop" wrote in message
...
Offal = hearts, kidneys, liver

.,,,,.Heart may be considered offal, but it's a muscle meat, not an organ
and can be fed often if you want. Organs such as liver should comprise
about 10% of the total meat. Kidney is a very rich organ and shouldn't be
fed daily unless in small amounts.

All quantities already stated and those below are based on a 30kg Golden
Retriever.

Eggs - 2 a week
........I feed eggs daily - that would have been a lot of calcium if I
also
fed the shells.

Supplement - Didn't know if you could get this overseas: Greenpet Natural
Nutritional Supplement. 1 tablespoon daily

http://greenpet.com.au/product_info....&osCsid=7 fed
1e8cf04ab7d416627beed34ccfaa
*It contains a blend of highly nutritious foods & supplements to help
maintain optimum health. Contains vitamins, minerals, enzymes, trace
elements and fatty acids. Flax meal, rice bran, dolomite, kelp, spirulina,
green barley powder, nettle, alfalfa, garlic, rosehips & blackstrap
molasses.*

I'm not a big fan of these kinds of products. This is sort of like
MIssing
Link. It has too many ingredients and a dog may react to one of them.
Garlic comes to mind here - toy dogs seem more reactive than other dogs.
Nettle is an herb - and I think that herbs should be used when needed,
not
on a daily basis. And dogs who have plant allergies may be allergic to
it.
........I could see adding rice bran to a kibble food, but since this
isn't
kibble, don't think it's necessary. And apparently if it's not stabilized
rice bran it can go rancid pretty quick.
Rice bran: http://www.labradorwell.com/RiceBran.html
....And I don't know where the enzymes are.

.........to me, since you're preparing the food yourself, you'd be better
off rotating the sea vegetables in your ration. That's the value of home
preparing food - you can adjust it to what the dog needs.

Oil - Greenpet Omega Plus Oil. 1-2 teaspoons daily
...............if this omega supplement doesn't have Vit E, I'd add it.
Vitamin E keeps the EFAs from oxidizing in the body.
Apple Cider Vinegar - 3 tablespoons daily

Regarding quantities of each ingredient, your supplement of choice and
oil
will state how much to use. As for the rest, it isn't an exact science...
you don't measure out how much of each foodstuff you have yourself each
day... similarly you don't need to be perfectly exact on these quantities
either, but just use some common sense.

.........Yes, that's true, but still certain rules should be followed as
dogs aren't humans and the physiology is different. And it definitely
isn't
true for calcium. Puppies, especially shouldn't get too much as they
can't
regulate calcium uptake. Calcium can also interfere with uptake of other
minerals if it is fed in excess.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/132/6/1665S
*The results demonstrate that dogs younger than 4 to 5 mo are not able to
adjust the digestibility of Ca in relation to the Ca intake at 100% of
requirements. Not only the inability to downregulate the aD but also the
inability to increase the uptake in the case of an insufficient intake in
young growing dogs makes it necessary to adjust precisely the daily supply
of Ca to the requirements.*

.......... The ratio of Ca:P in dog food should be between 1:1 - 2:1 For
those of you not familiar with preparing your own dog food, the phosphorus
(P) is in the meat (and cereals) and if you're not feeding bone with the
meat, you need to add calcium (Ca) to balance out the phosphorus to get
the
above ratio. My suggestion is that if you are interested in home
preparing
meals, join a dog nutrition group for support.
.....A website with a lot of links WRT nutrition:
http://www.dogaware.com/dogfeeding.html

buglady
take out the dog before replying