"Lynne" wrote in message:
All of these problems escalated because of my own ignorance.

Lynne, stop beating yourself up. Chalk it up as lesson learned and move on.
I'm sure that we've all been there and done that.

We have a
lovely dog who is around tons of other dogs all the time and we have never
had a single issue.

I am 100% with Melinda on how much we learn from the tough dogs.

Something that has not been mentioned in this thread. I find squirt bottles
(not spray bottles) to be useful in breaking up scuffles without getting
physically involved. One of the reasons I have one with me at all times
when I'm at the dog park. A strategically aimed squirt or even shaking the
bottle can preempt evil intentions, and the shock at being squirted
sometimes gives you that split second window required to get the dogs apart.

Suja

Paula said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

[snipped]

I also love you, though it seems Mary gets dibs.

A wonderful post, Paula. Those who skipped it because it has a
lot of words and little white space: Print it out. Good stuff.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

on Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:40:12 GMT, "Sandy in OK"
wrote:

Actually, even on Google, I can see the order of posts. I'm betting
you can too.

Actually I can't, but I believe you FWIW.

The "horse" isn't dead until you send him back to rescue. And I hope
your highly charged emotional state is more about realizing what you
have done than it is just being pissed at someone who's pointing that
out.

My highly charged emotional state has nothing to do with you, you are just
making it worse because you are so damn nasty. I'm very close to
killfiling you because of it.

What happened with the previous dog you sent back?

He was adopted into a home with no cats as he should have been the first
time.


--
Lynne

Lynne wrote:
That's what I didn't understand but do now. And we've been
doing a lot of trading. He seems to really enjoy it.

I just need to train myself (and get help doing so) if I expect to
successfully train him.

--
Lynne

I hope that means you are on the hunt for a really good trainer or
behaviorist who can help you "on location" very soon and give you a
training plan that you will follow. Truly, there's only so much good
advice that can be given on the internet, where nobody can actually see
the dog, and see you. Owner descriptions of what is happening are
usually, at best, missing key information. BroomSandy

on Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:44:20 GMT, Rocky wrote:

I also love you, though it seems Mary gets dibs.

A wonderful post, Paula. Those who skipped it because it has a
lot of words and little white space: Print it out. Good stuff.

I've printed out many posts in this thread (and several are from Paula!).
If I don't reply to each one, it's because I printed them off to re-read
and absorb.

I'm very grateful to this group, and to several folks in particular.

--
Lynne

Mary Healey said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

aka, "I don't CARE who started it, *I* am finishing it"

Rewrite that in all capitals, and that's exactly how I handle
first-time conflicts.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

elegy wrote:

yup, same here. i have a friend who was bitten very badly in the face
by her resource-guarding dog (over a bone). she had the dog put to
sleep, and while i respect her decision to do so, what a shitty
situation for everybody involved.

My little brother was bitten in the head by a St. Bernard when he
was a baby--teeth punctured his eyelid, but didn't damage his eye.
I think that must've made an impression on me. Looking back, the
dog can't have meant to do serious damage, or he would have just
bitten my brother's head off. I stayed far away from that dog after
that, though.

luce got bitten on the leg. i didn't even know it until 8 hours later
when she got out of bed and was non-weight-bearing. she also had her
face torn up by a stray cat that she cornered, but thankfully the cat
missed her eyes.

Ouch! Cat bites are bad, bad news.

i'm so glad i stuck it out, too. once everybody got adjusted, things
are so much more fun with both of them.

I miss that, for sure, and am looking forward to having multiples in
the future. it's work, and it can be exasperating, but it sure is fun.

yup. last fight we had was over a smell in the grass. a smell. buncha
retards.

Janet mentioned something similar with dogs who were acting up in
Muttley's class. I've not had dogs fight over smells, but they've
certainly done their fair share of dumbassed grousing at each other.
It's hard not to laugh at them sometimes.

i was very very very upset. i called the cops. the owners came down to
see if my dog was ok and luce muzzle-punched the lady in the nose when
she bent over to pet her. i just wanted to freaking DIE.

Oh my! I think that would have sent me into hysterics. Luce has
impeccable timing!

mushroom has been so much more reactive to *everything* since that
happened- to dogs, to people at a distance- and i KNOW it's because i
was so wrecked by it. he wasn't hurt that badly- he had punctures and
lacerations on his chin and lips and i took him to the vet to get it
recorded in his record more than anything- but he's messed up.

That sounds like Harriet. When she gets seriously tweaked about
something, she doesn't forget it. She's half elephant, I think.

i kick
myself over and over because i know i messed him up more than the dog
did

Nah. The owner of the other dog is the one who messed up. Be
pissed at him, not yourself.

--
Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Lynne said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

on Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:45:14 GMT, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:

When I first looked at the photo of Briar, I thought I saw
something disturbing in his eyes.

There is nothing in Briar's appearance that makes him look
disturbing. Jeeze especially not in the only photo I've
posted where you only see one of his eyes and only just
barely. He's a lovely dog with a soft, expressive face.

Don't worry about it. Paul lies, and I've given up on caring
why he does it.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:47:26 -0600, Lynne
wrote:

[...]
I'm very grateful to this group, and to several folks in particular.

I'm staying out of this one, but, as someone who's had more puncture
wounds than an old pin cushion in a sweatshop in downtown Shanghai, I
did want to say something about your puncture wound.

When did you last have a tetanus shot? If it's been longer than 5
years ago, I'd go get one - ASAP.

Better safe than sorry when it comes to tetanus.

I also wouldn't have used super glue on it.

Use something like Neosporin instead (hey, you're not on a mountaintop
now, and there's probably a Walgreen's within spitting distance). It's
not too late to do that right now (after washing the wound again).

No, I'm not a doctor. But I've been a patient more times than John
Kerry's said something stupid.

Good luck!

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

on Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:22:09 GMT, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:47:26 -0600, Lynne
wrote:

[...]
I'm very grateful to this group, and to several folks in particular.

I'm staying out of this one, but, as someone who's had more puncture
wounds than an old pin cushion in a sweatshop in downtown Shanghai, I
did want to say something about your puncture wound.

When did you last have a tetanus shot? If it's been longer than 5
years ago, I'd go get one - ASAP.

Better safe than sorry when it comes to tetanus.

I also wouldn't have used super glue on it.

Use something like Neosporin instead (hey, you're not on a mountaintop
now, and there's probably a Walgreen's within spitting distance). It's
not too late to do that right now (after washing the wound again).

No, I'm not a doctor. But I've been a patient more times than John
Kerry's said something stupid.

Good luck!


Thanks, Jack. I had a tetanus shot a few months ago, so that's good. And
I did a little refresher on first aid for puncture wounds, so I'm going to
remove the super glue and apply neosporin. No amount of pressure would
stop the bleeding last night, but the superglue needs to come off now.

--
Lynne