yes I went up and down the stairs like that... are you like always so
negative???

yeesh... you really make me want to leave this group you know... say
something positive for a change...

do you not have the balance to try it out? I had no problems with it... and
my dog was well trained... and if its a smaller dog it will work as well IF
the person decides to try it... I'm not saying he should try it... but I
know many people who do, with good results... and the individuals didn't
even ....

why do I have to explain myself to you... you've already got an opinion as
your training methods are so much better off than mine... odd how my dog is
doing so well though despite my absurd stupidity... would be nice to know
that I did SOMETHING right for a change in my life, but I guess training a
seizure response dog who loves my son despite my sons initial non interest
in her was a crappy thing to do... I suppose I should just quit living or
something now...

it worked for me and never once did I fall, lose my balance, nor was caught
off... what kind of training do you do?



"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article ,
Drachen wrote:
I'm not talking out of my ass here but it WORKED FOR ME...

You can't guarantee outcomes but in an awful lot of
circumstances you can definitely jigger the odds in your
favor or against you. Tethering to your ankle is a lot
riskier than tethering to your waist (seriously - you went
up and down stairs like that?) and there's no compelling
reason to choose to do it despite its lack of safety.
Increasing the risk without increasing the payoff or even
potential payoff is lousy decision-making.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Drachen" wrote in
:

doesn't take long for that arguement to end...
*G*

Yeah, with me flat on my ass. I've known a couple of dogs who
would've gotten a big laugh out of that.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Fear feeds the imagination.
-- Joseph Joubert

On 15 Jan 2007 10:01:56 -0500, (Melinda Shore),
clicked their heels and said:

Tethering to your ankle is a lot
riskier than tethering to your waist (seriously - you went
up and down stairs like that?) and there's no compelling
reason to choose to do it despite its lack of safety.
Increasing the risk without increasing the payoff or even
potential payoff is lousy decision-making.

Even on one floor, I just can't imagine tethering a retriever puppy to
my ankle! Yikes! At the waist, or wrist if needed for freedom of
movement, but I haven't had to do it in a long time. One advantage of
having adult dogs who follow me everywhere and hang out where I am -
puppies tend to follow that!

I do use a tether if at someone else's home, at meetings, etc., but at
home, it has rarely been needed for many years now.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
Drachen wrote:
yes I went up and down the stairs like that... are you like always so
negative???

I am like concerned about risk for a living. It seems like
stupid to me to increase risk for no payoff, other than the
thrill of careening down the stairs on your ass. You are
like probably not going to have a car accident on any given
trip, either, but you take steps like buckling up your
seatbelt like anyway.

do you not have the balance to try it out?

This isn't a personal issue, and I'm pretty tired of folks
who try to personalize every disagreement. As a rule of
thumb given a choice between a safe like option and a less
safe like option it like makes more sense to choose the more
safe like option unless there's a good reason not to. In
this case there really isn't.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Drachen" wrote in
:

sigh... do I have to reexplain everything when I post something that
actually WORKED for me as well as others????

I'm not talking out of my ass here but it WORKED FOR ME...

Great. Fine. I'm so glad it worked for you.

However, its still really dangerous advice.

now, if you want to try it, try it... if you don't , then don't...

So, if someone happened to teach their dog something using a method that
is seriously unsafe, no one is ever supposed to actually tell the newbie
that? They're just supposed to innately know which advice to follow, and
everyone here is just supposed to pretend that all advice is equal?

Its not.

You have clearly taken your dog to decent levels, training-wise. And I
have zero problems with that.

But when you give people advice that could get them or their dog hurt,
people ARE going to point that out, whether you like that or not.

but
it worked for me....

I jaywalk on really busy NYC avenues on a daily basis.

But I would *never* suggest that a tourist from Bum**** Indiana try
it....since "it worked for me". That would be irresponsible.


my waist also included back issues and some
weight issues which would have been more dangerous for me than using
my ankle... its not a big deal...

and I had complete control... and I also used a 6 foot soft leash as a
tether... my house isn't that large to accomidate much else... same
with in public...

if that helps at all to your understanding of the situation...

Yes.

Look, you have a lopt of neat things to say, and some great ways to
participate here.

But if you are going to insist on giving out training advice, you're
either going to learn to be more careful about how you give it (since
you do always end up clarifying, it seems you *can* eventually tell what
info you were missing), or you're going to continue getting crap for
giving out dangerous misinformation.

You yourself said that you have a learning issue when it comes to
communicating. So I don't understand getting defensive when people ask
you to clarify what you're talking about, or when people point out that
the advice was so lacking in context and specifics that is was rendered
dangerous, when you clearly *know* that this is an issue for you.

Tara

(Melinda Shore) wrote in news:eog514$l8b$1
@panix3.panix.com:

Tethering to your ankle is a lot
riskier than tethering to your waist (seriously - you went
up and down stairs like that?)

I made the mistake of standing on Elliott's leash once. He lunged
at something, in his typical lummoxy way, and yanked the leash out
from under my foot. I went ass over tea kettle and landed on my
hip, which has not been quite the same since. I don't want to even
think what would have happened if the dog had been actually
attached to my ankle. I'm picturing hip *and* groin injuries. Ow!

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

My ass contemplates those who talk behind my back.
-- Francis Picabia

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:14:56 -0600, "Drachen" ,
clicked their heels and said:

I had no problems with it... and
my dog was well trained...

Why would a well trained dog need to be tethered?

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

this was during the training process....

puppyness to one year... I think that was the last time I did that... and of
course out in public... I obey the leash laws...

"Janet B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:14:56 -0600, "Drachen" ,
clicked their heels and said:

I had no problems with it... and
my dog was well trained...

Why would a well trained dog need to be tethered?

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Janet B wrote in
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Why would a well trained dog need to be tethered?

While "well trained" is a debatable descriptive phrase for Harriet,
I've tethered her on occasion, but it's been at other people's
houses, or when worker bees or non-dog people are at my house. Not
a big deal for her or me, and it gives nervous people peace of
mind. Usually, such tethering involves stuffing the end of her
leash into my jeans pocket. Not exactly secure, but it's the
thought that counts for all parties involved.

I doubt that's the sort of thing Drachen is talking about, though.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

You can't be at the pole and the equator at the same time.
-- Vincent van Gogh

same...

it has rarely been needed for many years now.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com