Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone with experience especially with German
Shepherds might be able to help me out. I have a female I have had
since 7 weeks. She is now a little over 9 months. At about 3 months she
was attacked by a Sher pei in the face (20 stitches) she was fine after
that emotionally at the dog park and at home with my 2 other Rack
Russels. Then at 4 months same Sher pei attacked again (40 stitches and
now Sher pei is gone). Ok so here is issue now with other dogs I take
her to dog park almost everyday she walks in with tail tucked way under
hair up. Most times other dogs just sniff and walk away. But, then
there is always one who persists in making her pee on the sidewalk. So
the rest time at dog park she basically sits at my feet and watches and
you can see her almost jump at the puppy running by but then something
in her head stops her. She does not fear kids or adults. She is very
relaxed around people.

At home my 2 Jacks are 5 years old and they basically keep her at the
bottom of the pack and don't play fight or anything to give her
confidence. I am confused on the alpha(me) and playing rope tug though
thats just minor confidence builder.

Thanks in advance
David

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:23:56 -0400, David
wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone with experience especially with German
Shepherds might be able to help me out. I have a female I have had
since 7 weeks. She is now a little over 9 months. At about 3 months she
was attacked by a Sher pei in the face (20 stitches) she was fine after
that emotionally at the dog park and at home with my 2 other Rack
Russels. Then at 4 months same Sher pei attacked again (40 stitches and
now Sher pei is gone).

So once wasn't enough, eh? You had to expose her to the same Shar Pei
a second time, right?

sigh

Ok so here is issue now with other dogs I take
her to dog park almost everyday she walks in with tail tucked way under
hair up.

If your mom had taken you to a certain playground, and you were beaten
up by the playground bully - and then she took you back to the same
playground again, and the bully beat you up a second time - how many
more times would you have needed to be beaten up before you refused to
go to that playground any longer?

Most times other dogs just sniff and walk away. But, then
there is always one who persists in making her pee on the sidewalk. So
the rest time at dog park she basically sits at my feet and watches and
you can see her almost jump at the puppy running by but then something
in her head stops her. She does not fear kids or adults. She is very
relaxed around people.
[...]

Expose her only to well-mannered, well-balanced, non-aggressive dogs!

I.e., don't take her back to that park (if the park allowed that Shar
Pei back a second time, it's not the kind of park that anyone should
be taking his dogs to).

And she might actually turn out okay eventually.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Your United Nations at work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEw0lZ3k_Y&eurl=
A Moronocy of Dunces!
http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/...ocy-of-dunces/
How modern liberals think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c&eurl=
Gore's Global Warming Religion:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19927
Researchers Question Validity Of A 'Global Temperature':
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0315101129.htm
Liberal eco-preeners: Do as we say, not as we do!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...599714,00.html
Danish scientist: Global warming is a myth.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science...-012154-7403r/
Scientists threatened with death for 'climate denial'!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ngreen211.xml
The Great Global Warming Swindle - the video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...global+warming

So once wasn't enough, eh? You had to expose her to the same Shar Pei
a second time, right?


Mr Jack is it?

The Sher pei busted through my backyard fence twice. "not from the dog
park" but what the hell does that matter.

If you can't help shut up......



On 2007-03-30 12:52:54 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
said:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:23:56 -0400, David
wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone with experience especially with German
Shepherds might be able to help me out. I have a female I have had
since 7 weeks. She is now a little over 9 months. At about 3 months she
was attacked by a Sher pei in the face (20 stitches) she was fine after
that emotionally at the dog park and at home with my 2 other Rack
Russels. Then at 4 months same Sher pei attacked again (40 stitches and
now Sher pei is gone).

So once wasn't enough, eh? You had to expose her to the same Shar Pei
a second time, right?

sigh

Ok so here is issue now with other dogs I take
her to dog park almost everyday she walks in with tail tucked way under
hair up.

If your mom had taken you to a certain playground, and you were beaten
up by the playground bully - and then she took you back to the same
playground again, and the bully beat you up a second time - how many
more times would you have needed to be beaten up before you refused to
go to that playground any longer?

Most times other dogs just sniff and walk away. But, then
there is always one who persists in making her pee on the sidewalk. So
the rest time at dog park she basically sits at my feet and watches and
you can see her almost jump at the puppy running by but then something
in her head stops her. She does not fear kids or adults. She is very
relaxed around people.
[...]

Expose her only to well-mannered, well-balanced, non-aggressive dogs!

I.e., don't take her back to that park (if the park allowed that Shar
Pei back a second time, it's not the kind of park that anyone should
be taking his dogs to).

And she might actually turn out okay eventually.

David wrote:

If you can't help shut up......

1. You get what you pay for.
2. You don't get to dictate what other people post.
3. If you have a killfile, use it.
4. If you don't have a killfile, get a newsreader that does.
5. What are you trying to achieve by taking this dog to the dog
park? And why do you think persisting in taking her to the dog park
will achieve your goal(s)?

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:05:48 -0400, David wrote:

So once wasn't enough, eh? You had to expose her to the same Shar Pei
a second time, right?

Mr Jack is it?

The Sher pei busted through my backyard fence twice. "not from the dog
park" but what the hell does that matter.

It would have mattered quite a bit, had you the sense to mention it.

If you can't help shut up......

Gotcha!

Bub bye.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Your United Nations at work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEw0lZ3k_Y&eurl=
A Moronocy of Dunces!
http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/...ocy-of-dunces/
How modern liberals think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c&eurl=
Gore's Global Warming Religion:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19927
Researchers Question Validity Of A 'Global Temperature':
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0315101129.htm
Liberal eco-preeners: Do as we say, not as we do!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...599714,00.html
Danish scientist: Global warming is a myth.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science...-012154-7403r/
Scientists threatened with death for 'climate denial'!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ngreen211.xml
The Great Global Warming Swindle - the video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...global+warming

First off to Jack sorry...

Now we got to the park for social fun and exercise. Not all of us can
be cat lovers and sit on the couch all day watching tv. She loves to
play ball in the water (lake) there are many reasons to enjoy life
outside the home to mention. If you could just see her watching other
dogs play and almost taking that step to go but not you would
understand and it has nothing to do with the memory of where the
incident happened. (that was in my own backyard).

anyway thanks. and no I don't need to be flamed.....god already does
that thank you


On 2007-03-30 13:10:12 -0400, Shelly said:

David wrote:

If you can't help shut up......

1. You get what you pay for.
2. You don't get to dictate what other people post.
3. If you have a killfile, use it.
4. If you don't have a killfile, get a newsreader that does.
5. What are you trying to achieve by taking this dog to the dog park?
And why do you think persisting in taking her to the dog park will
achieve your goal(s)?

"David" wrote in message
news:2007033012235675249-graphfxorl@gmailcom...
Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone with experience especially with German
Shepherds might be able to help me out. I have a female I have had
since 7 weeks. She is now a little over 9 months. At about 3 months she
was attacked by a Sher pei in the face (20 stitches) she was fine after
that emotionally at the dog park and at home with my 2 other Rack
Russels. Then at 4 months same Sher pei attacked again (40 stitches and
now Sher pei is gone). Ok so here is issue now with other dogs I take
her to dog park almost everyday she walks in with tail tucked way under
hair up. Most times other dogs just sniff and walk away. But, then
there is always one who persists in making her pee on the sidewalk. So
the rest time at dog park she basically sits at my feet and watches and
you can see her almost jump at the puppy running by but then something
in her head stops her. She does not fear kids or adults. She is very
relaxed around people.

At home my 2 Jacks are 5 years old and they basically keep her at the
bottom of the pack and don't play fight or anything to give her
confidence. I am confused on the alpha(me) and playing rope tug though
thats just minor confidence builder.

Thanks in advance
David
==================
What I am thinking after reading your message is that your poor dog is
terrified. This is not a fun place to take your dog. If you went to a park
and someone beat you to a pulp, and then you returned and got beat to a pulp
a second time, would you go back for a third time? You would be stupid if
you did.
It is cruel to force your dog to return to a place where she was almost
killed twice. Find another quiet safe place to walk your dog. If the tail
is between the legs, that is not a safe place to her. It will take her a
long time to regain her confidence, so be patient with her. That's an awful
story.

David from florida wrote:

Now we got to the park for social fun and exercise.

Neither of which seems to apply to at least one of your dogs.

Not all of us can be
cat lovers and sit on the couch all day watching tv. She loves to play
ball in the water (lake) there are many reasons to enjoy life outside
the home to mention.

I'm not asking you why you'd take her places. I'm asking you why
you take to a specific place that, based on your description, she is
scared of. What is it you are trying to achieve?

If you could just see her watching other dogs play
and almost taking that step to go but not you would understand and it
has nothing to do with the memory of where the incident happened. (that
was in my own backyard).

Then what do you attribute her fearfulness to?

The thing is, exposing the dog to large amounts of the things that
trigger her fearfulness *can* work, but it can also backfire. I
think it would be in your dog's best interest if you talked to a
good behaviorist or trainer who can observe her in person, because
any advice anyone here could give you will rely on your ability to
accurately describe what's going on, and I really don't have much
faith in that happening.

anyway thanks. and no I don't need to be flamed.....god already does
that thank you

I haven't a clue what you're talking about.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"David" wrote in message:

Ok so here is issue now with other dogs I take
her to dog park almost everyday she walks in with tail tucked way under
hair up.

I've seen dogs like that come around, but with some work on the part of
their owners.

But, then
there is always one who persists in making her pee on the sidewalk.

You've got options. Either don't go to the dog park at all (since she
doesn't seem to be getting anything out of it), go when this particular dog
is not there (hoping that she'll interact with the other dogs) or continue
to do what you're doing, which doesn't appear to be working.

So
the rest time at dog park she basically sits at my feet and watches and
you can see her almost jump at the puppy running by but then something
in her head stops her.

Try going when there are either no dogs around so she can get used to the
smells without worrying, or when there are few dogs (especially known
friendlies) around as an alternate to what you're doing.

Talk to a trainer or behaviorist who can watch her and give a solid plan for
you to act on. That's probably your best bet.

Suja

Give her time. Keep socializing her and just take it slow. She is scared
because it happened twice not once but twice.
If you stop taking her to the park she will start to turn all that confusion
into herself and she might become a fear biter. She just has to come out of
her shell that's all. Has she been to any obedience class's. That could help
her bonding with you and help her feel more in control and focused. This way
she would place her focus on you and not what happed to her. So if she
starts to freak out during a moment you gently get her attention and have
her sit. Don't make a big deal about it. Imagine if you had been in two car
accidents one not long after you started to heal from the first, you would
be kinda scared to get back in a car. Good Luck

"David" wrote in message
news:2007033012235675249-graphfxorl@gmailcom...
Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone with experience especially with German Shepherds
might be able to help me out. I have a female I have had since 7 weeks.
She is now a little over 9 months. At about 3 months she was attacked by a
Sher pei in the face (20 stitches) she was fine after that emotionally at
the dog park and at home with my 2 other Rack Russels. Then at 4 months
same Sher pei attacked again (40 stitches and now Sher pei is gone). Ok so
here is issue now with other dogs I take her to dog park almost everyday
she walks in with tail tucked way under hair up. Most times other dogs
just sniff and walk away. But, then there is always one who persists in
making her pee on the sidewalk. So the rest time at dog park she basically
sits at my feet and watches and you can see her almost jump at the puppy
running by but then something in her head stops her. She does not fear
kids or adults. She is very relaxed around people.

At home my 2 Jacks are 5 years old and they basically keep her at the
bottom of the pack and don't play fight or anything to give her
confidence. I am confused on the alpha(me) and playing rope tug though
thats just minor confidence builder.

Thanks in advance
David