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Old November 28th 07, 11:18 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Default 3 separate attacks - kill horse, injure 1 year old, attack inpark

On Nov 28, 3:18 pm, "Greens" wrote:
The last story, about an attack on trails in a park, resulted in stiffer
laws about keeping dogs on leash. That's how pit bull ownership ruins it for
everyone. One dog attack and now every dog has to be on leash in the park.


Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull
and would have raised it just as irresponsibly, doing things like
walking it off leash in public places. The attacks will happen even
if you eliminate pit bulls because it doesn't change the fact that
they occur because of bad owners.

There was no need for concern before this attack and no doubt many dogs and
their owners enjoyed the freedom of enjoying the park without a leash. Not
anymore.


Every breed of dog has the potential to attack someone. If you take a
poorly raised dog of any breed to a public location and walk it off
leash you are asking for trouble. More so if the dog has issues with
strange people, which is a common trait among dogs belonging to bad
owners. Personally, I am concerned about any public place that allows
off leash dogs that is not an area specifically fenced off for that
purpose like a dog park. I still won't step foot in a dog park
because you can't control how other people raise their dogs.


Pit bulls ruin neighborhoods too.


The presence of a pit bull does not ruin a neighborhood. The presence
of a bad owner ruins a neighborhood. I live next door to a church and
I do not have a fenced in yard. On Sunday mornings I can take my pit
bull mix outside off leash with 20+ strange people in the parking lot
that is right next to my yard and he will not do anything that scares
anyone there. He is completely under control because he is properly
obedience trained. His training has been proofed to a much greater
level than 20 strangers who are 30 feet away. Everyone laughs at him
because he wiggles with excitement when he sees the people and
obviously wants to go see them, but he will not leave the yard. As a
side note, I would not advocate this level of freedom with all pit
bulls, but it works for Yoda.

The neighbors on the other side have a fenced yard with a dog that
constantly tries to fence fight with Yoda. Yoda IS dog aggressive,
but he is trained to ignore strange dogs. I can see in his body
language the other dog stresses him and he WANTS to fight with the
dog, but he does not break. It has actually been beneficial for him
because he gets less stressed out by strange dogs now than when we
first moved in.

If there's a vicious or scary dog on a
street, there's little chance that people are going to walk down that street
if they can avoid it.


That is the case with any vicious or scary dog of any breed. What you
fail to realize is that not all pit bulls are vicious or scary. They
may be in your head, but that is because you are an irrational fear
monger.

They're going to drive. The result is fewer people
exercising, more fear, greater use of gasoline for getting around and a
feeling of isolation and resentment. The worst part of it is that this is
something pit bull owners might do deliberately. They want you to be afraid
to let your kids play outside.


Because we own pit bulls, we want you to be afraid of our dog and not
able to walk down the street? I want people to like my dog. He
really is a great dog, and everyone who has given him a chance likes
him(except for one family, but they are irrational fear mongers just
like you). We do our best to set a good example for the breed so that
he can be used as proof that your claims of all pit bulls being
vicious killing machines are false.

Nick