What did y'all think of the second new AP show, which followed
the Monks? Victoria is certainly not made in Cesar's mold - he
exudes far more warmth and charisma, and she comes across like a
proper British schoolteacher - but it appears that she will be
tackling similar problems.

And having a goofy Lab myself, I did enjoy watching those two
goofballs who were the "problem dogs" of the evening.

FurPaw
--
My family values don't involve depleted uranium.

To reply, unleash the dog.

Fur Paw,
I really couldn't get into that show either....I was distracted by my
dogs. I have a goofy Lab too. That part I liked.
I claim to have watched both shows with an open mind, but maybe I
wasn't being honest with myself. I am spoiled. I like Cesar.


Be Free.....Judy

On Apr 18, 12:07�am, FurPaw wrote:
What did y'all think of the second new AP show, which followed
the Monks? *Victoria is certainly not made in Cesar's mold - he
exudes far more warmth and charisma, and she comes across like a
proper British schoolteacher - but it appears that she will be
tackling similar problems.

My husband thinks she's "hotter" than most proper British schoolmarms.
Especially with the high top boots. Sort of Emma Peal with a leash.
Fine with me, we don't have to argue over who has control of the
remote. I think she's the first good thing to happen to dog training
TV since Patricia McConnell's show went off the air. Her timing is
excellent, her body use and language is excellent. She can teach
concepts like attention and leave-it without resorting to physical
corrections. She does a lot of the same things I do. I don't agree
with her on everything but basically her training is sound and
effective. As to the Monks, sigh... I never thought I'd come across
anyone I could favorably compare Cesar Millan to. But most of my
beginner students have better skills than Brother Chris.
Broomsandy in OK

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:36:35 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:

But most of my
beginner students have better skills than Brother Chris.

Always the talk.

Never the walk.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

"Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you kill
Can a ni**er kill
Can a ni**er kill a honkie
Can a ni**er kill the Man
Can you kill ni**er
Huh? Ni**er can you
kill
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you run a protestant down with your
‘68 El Dorado
(that’s all they’re good for anyway)
Can you kill
Can you **** on a blond head
Can you cut it off
Can you kill
A ni**er can die
We ain’t got to prove we can die
We got to prove we can kill"
Nikki Giovanni, Virginia Tech

On Apr 27, 3:17?pm, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:36:35 -0400, Happy Jack Morrison

wrote:
But most of my
beginner students have better skills than Brother Chris.

Always the talk.

Never the walk.


(gibberish below siggie deleated)
And you would know that because you've seen my beginner students, eh?
Actually, I've met rocks with better skills than Brother Chris. At one
point, the Monks did have a dog trainer. But he's dead now. Broomsandy

On 27 Apr 2007 13:27:27 -0700, Sandy in OK wrote:

On Apr 27, 3:17?pm, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:36:35 -0400, Happy Jack Morrison

wrote:
But most of my
beginner students have better skills than Brother Chris.

Always the talk.

Never the walk.

(gibberish below siggie deleated)
And you would know that because you've seen my beginner students, eh?

I just think you're one of those all talk, no walk kind of gals,
Broomy.

It's always the talkers who always rap on other trainers, not the
walkers.

Actually, I've met rocks with better skills than Brother Chris. At one
point, the Monks did have a dog trainer. But he's dead now.

If you can call yourself a dog trainer, trust me, so can Brother
Chris.

He ain't exactly Bill Koehler, but he appears to get the job done.

And without needing to rap on other trainers.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

"Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you kill
Can a ni**er kill
Can a ni**er kill a honkie
Can a ni**er kill the Man
Can you kill ni**er
Huh? Ni**er can you
kill
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you run a protestant down with your
‘68 El Dorado
(that’s all they’re good for anyway)
Can you kill
Can you **** on a blond head
Can you cut it off
Can you kill
A ni**er can die
We ain’t got to prove we can die
We got to prove we can kill"
Nikki Giovanni, Virginia Tech

On Apr 27, 3:17?pm, Happy Jack Morrison
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:36:35 -0400, Happy Jack Morrison

wrote:
But most of my
beginner students have better skills than Brother Chris.

Always the talk.

Never the walk.
(gibberish below siggie deleated)
And you would know that because you've seen my beginner students, eh?

I just think you're one of those all talk, no walk kind of gals,
Broomy.

It's always the talkers who always rap on other trainers, not the
walkers.

Actually, I've met rocks with better skills than Brother Chris. At one
point, the Monks did have a dog trainer. But he's dead now.

If you can call yourself a dog trainer, trust me, so can Brother
Chris.

He ain't exactly Bill Koehler, but he appears to get the job done.

And without needing to rap on other trainers.

--
And yet, I've been a trainer probably as long as you have. And you rap
me without ever having seen me work, despite the fact that I've
probably trained and titled dogs in a lot more venues than you have
(whereas at least I've seen the Bubba and the Wheesperer on the
TeeVee) So I guess that makes you a really major bullshitter, eh,
Jacko? The thing about celebrity is with it comes discussion. Of the
good and the bad. And I think that discussion is healthy. When you
have a very public opinion, people will talk. And, I think there is a
time to rap on other trainers. Or are you one of those who politely
looks the other way over the Ami Moore fiasco? I wouldn't be at all
surprised.

On 27 Apr 2007 13:56:16 -0700, Sandy in OK wrote:

[...]
If you can call yourself a dog trainer, trust me, so can Brother
Chris.

He ain't exactly Bill Koehler, but he appears to get the job done.

And without needing to rap on other trainers.

--
And yet, I've been a trainer probably as long as you have.

Unless you've been training dogs for close to five decades, no, you
haven't.

And you rap
me without ever having seen me work,

I rap you because you're a proselytizing bozo who raps every training
method out there but your own.

You could be the best trainer in the world and I'd still rap you,
because you're such a petty human being.

despite the fact that I've
probably trained and titled dogs in a lot more venues than you have

I've only titled dogs in one venue - field trialing. It's the only
venue that matters to me.

Give it a try sometimes, and see how well you do, how well your
methods work out in the field.

(whereas at least I've seen the Bubba and the Wheesperer on the
TeeVee) So I guess that makes you a really major bullshitter, eh,
Jacko?

See? Always the talk. Never the walk.

The thing about celebrity is with it comes discussion. Of the
good and the bad.

But there really is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to dog training,
provided it's done humanely.

There's what works, and there's what doesn't.

You should be satisfied that there are now more shows for people to
watch, more places where owners can get some help, etc.

Think of the dogs for a change, even if it kills you.

And I think that discussion is healthy.

But you've never shown any proclivity for real discussion. Only for
petty, mean-spirited demagoguery.

When you
have a very public opinion, people will talk. And, I think there is a
time to rap on other trainers.

Not the way you do it.

You always do it in a petty, mean-spirited way. It's like you
couldn't care less about the dogs themselves, just the way that
they're trained.

Or are you one of those who politely
looks the other way over the Ami Moore fiasco? I wouldn't be at all
surprised.

Actually, I'm one of those people who waits until all the evidence is
in before making a judgment.

You, on the other hand, sound more like the morons at Duke University,
the media, etc., who all jumped to *really* lousy conclusions
regarding the "rape" allegations (by two strippers) against three
members of the university's lacrosse team.

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/

That didn't work out very well for them, did it?

And you'd be wise to wait until the trial, too, regarding allegations
made against Moore.

But wisdom has never been one of your fortes, has it?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

"Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you kill
Can a ni**er kill
Can a ni**er kill a honkie
Can a ni**er kill the Man
Can you kill ni**er
Huh? Ni**er can you
kill
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you run a protestant down with your
‘68 El Dorado
(that’s all they’re good for anyway)
Can you kill
Can you **** on a blond head
Can you cut it off
Can you kill
A ni**er can die
We ain’t got to prove we can die
We got to prove we can kill"
Nikki Giovanni, Virginia Tech

On Apr 27, 4:59�pm, Hideous Jack Morrison wrote:
--
And yet, I've been a trainer probably as long as you have.

Unless you've been training dogs for close to five decades, no, you
haven't.

No, actually, only three decades. I'm only almost as old as dirt, not
older than. (but if we want to count the family mutt at 6 . . .)

I rap you because you're a proselytizing bozo who raps every training
method out there but your own.

Actually, the proselytizing bozo seems to be you, Jack. You attack
anyone who doesn't believe what you do. I don't have to be saying
anything to do with you without you snarling and screeching at me

You could be the best trainer in the world and I'd still rap you,
because you're such a petty human being.

Less petty than you. And probably a hell of a lot better trainer.

despite the fact that I've
probably trained and titled dogs in a lot more venues than you have

I've only titled dogs in one venue - field trialing. It's the only
venue that matters to me.

Give it a try sometimes, and see how well you do, how well your
methods work out in the field. *

Not a venue I care about. Try herding where you have 5 very live,
independent minded calves in the equation instead of a dead duck. And
we don't know what you do, cos, well, you won't say. I think that in
itself is very telling.

I can't talk to you, Jacko. I really can't match your venom, and don't
care to try. So just continue to rant and I'll talk to people who can
discuss things without all the insults and hysteria. It only shows you
off for what you really are. And I suspect if I don't answer you, it
won't be as reinforcing as if I do (though I am prepared for one hell
of a good extinction burst). But do wipe the spittle off your stubbly
wrinkled chin. It's most unappealing. Kisses, Broomsandy.

On 27 Apr 2007 19:42:58 -0700, Sandy in OK wrote:

On Apr 27, 4:59?pm, Hideous Jack Morrison wrote:
--
And yet, I've been a trainer probably as long as you have.

Unless you've been training dogs for close to five decades, no, you
haven't.

No, actually, only three decades. I'm only almost as old as dirt, not
older than. (but if we want to count the family mutt at 6 . . .)

Then you're just a little puppy!

I rap you because you're a proselytizing bozo who raps every training
method out there but your own.

Actually, the proselytizing bozo seems to be you, Jack.

Only in your delusional mind, Broomy.

For the 345,678,456th time, *I* don't care how anyone trains her dog,
provided it's done humanely. And *I* don't take cheap shots at the
training methods that other trainers choose to use.

That's you, Broomhilda. Not me.

*I* only care that the dog gets trained.

You attack
anyone who doesn't believe what you do.

Again, I attack only the petty, mean-spirited bozos and bimbos here
who take cheap shots at traditional training methods.

You could be the best trainer in the world and I'd still rap you,
because you're such a petty human being.

Less petty than you. And probably a hell of a lot better trainer.

In your dreams, Broomhilda. In your freakin' dreams.

But there's a good way to find out, isn't there?

despite the fact that I've
probably trained and titled dogs in a lot more venues than you have

I've only titled dogs in one venue - field trialing. It's the only
venue that matters to me.

Give it a try sometimes, and see how well you do, how well your
methods work out in the field.

Not a venue I care about. Try herding where you have 5 very live,
independent minded calves in the equation instead of a dead duck.

LIVE birds, my little pointy-headed witch. LIVE birds.

Yes, you should probably stick to herding.

And herding has been taught using traditional training methods since
there were sheep.

And we don't know what you do, cos, well, you won't say. I think that in
itself is very telling.

That's because you're blind. I've said "what I do" maybe 345,678,873
times now.

I can't talk to you, Jacko.

No, you can't. At least not without getting witch juice on your
monitor. Because you don't know how to just talk. It's like your
lips won't even move unless they're taking a cheap shot at someone,
something, etc.

I really can't match your venom, and don't
care to try. So just continue to rant and I'll talk to people who can
discuss things without all the insults and hysteria.

No, you won't. Because you can't. That's been proven time and again
here, not only by me, but by virtually everyone else here.

It only shows you
off for what you really are.

I'm someone who won't take any **** off of anyone, even dumb,
ignorant, pointy-headed witches.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

"Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you kill
Can a ni**er kill
Can a ni**er kill a honkie
Can a ni**er kill the Man
Can you kill ni**er
Huh? Ni**er can you
kill
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? Ni**er
Can you kill
Can you run a protestant down with your
‘68 El Dorado
(that’s all they’re good for anyway)
Can you kill
Can you **** on a blond head
Can you cut it off
Can you kill
A ni**er can die
We ain’t got to prove we can die
We got to prove we can kill"
Nikki Giovanni, Virginia Tech