Well I guess the honeymoon period is over. For both of them. Hendrix is
BOLD and rough with Roxy, and she's starting to express her irritation by
putting him in his place in a seemingly harsh way. Not all the time, and
they are still enjoying each other when I let them play, but once in a
while, Roxy just lays into Hendrix. One snap, which may or may not hurt,
then Hendrix yelps LOUDLY, and keeps his distance. But not for long...
Then they get separated.

I can't always figure out why she's pissed, but it's never over food or
toys. They eat separately, and they actually share toys really well. It's
usually during a wrestling match, or when Hendrix wants to start one.

Anwyay, what should I do? Do I say anything to her or to him? Let them
work it out on their own? (Under my watchful eyes, of course, always.)
Ideally, I'm ending play sessions before Roxy gets frustrated, but
sometimes I see no cues that it's coming. A complicating factor is that
Roxy has been on an antihistimine roller coaster, with one that really,
really messed her up for a day this past week. That was the first time she
got bitchy with him. She's feeling better today, but it's still happening.

Thanks for any advice. We're having a total blast here with Hendrix, and I
just want to make sure I'm not screwing anything up.

--
Lynne

on Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:22:17 GMT, Lynne
wrote:

Then they get separated.

By the way, I do this in a pleasant and not immediately after Roxy's
snarking, FWTW. I'm not sure at all how I *should* be handling this.

--
Lynne

Lynne spoke these words of wisdom in
. 97.142:

Well I guess the honeymoon period is over. For both of them. Hendrix
is BOLD and rough with Roxy, and she's starting to express her
irritation by putting him in his place in a seemingly harsh way. Not
all the time, and they are still enjoying each other when I let them
play, but once in a while, Roxy just lays into Hendrix. One snap,
which may or may not hurt, then Hendrix yelps LOUDLY, and keeps his
distance. But not for long... Then they get separated.

I can't always figure out why she's pissed, but it's never over food
or toys. They eat separately, and they actually share toys really
well. It's usually during a wrestling match, or when Hendrix wants to
start one.

Anwyay, what should I do? Do I say anything to her or to him? Let
them work it out on their own? (Under my watchful eyes, of course,
always.) Ideally, I'm ending play sessions before Roxy gets
frustrated, but sometimes I see no cues that it's coming. A
complicating factor is that Roxy has been on an antihistimine roller
coaster, with one that really, really messed her up for a day this
past week. That was the first time she got bitchy with him. She's
feeling better today, but it's still happening.

Thanks for any advice. We're having a total blast here with Hendrix,
and I just want to make sure I'm not screwing anything up.


Don't allow him to do that. He needs to learn to inhibit his actions.
Continue to end play sessions when they become too rough, and give Hendrix
a time out with a verbal warning when you do

Lynne wrote:
Well I guess the honeymoon period is over. For both of them.
Hendrix is BOLD and rough with Roxy, and she's starting to express
her irritation by putting him in his place in a seemingly harsh way.
Not all the time, and they are still enjoying each other when I let
them play, but once in a while, Roxy just lays into Hendrix. One
snap, which may or may not hurt, then Hendrix yelps LOUDLY, and keeps
his distance. But not for long... Then they get separated.

I can't always figure out why she's pissed, but it's never over food
or toys. They eat separately, and they actually share toys really
well. It's usually during a wrestling match, or when Hendrix wants
to start one.

Anwyay, what should I do? Do I say anything to her or to him? Let
them work it out on their own? (Under my watchful eyes, of course,
always.) Ideally, I'm ending play sessions before Roxy gets
frustrated, but sometimes I see no cues that it's coming. A
complicating factor is that Roxy has been on an antihistimine roller
coaster, with one that really, really messed her up for a day this
past week. That was the first time she got bitchy with him. She's
feeling better today, but it's still happening.

Thanks for any advice. We're having a total blast here with Hendrix,
and I just want to make sure I'm not screwing anything up.

Sounds like you should let nature take it's course as you said under your
watchfull eye
Just my 2$.
--
~shady angel~

on Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:17:06 GMT, "~shady angel~"
wrote:

Sounds like you should let nature take it's course as you said under
your watchfull eye
Just my 2$.

Do you have experience with anything like this? No one else has bothered
to reply so maybe I'm doing okay?

This morning I decided to tell the pup not to jump on the dog while she was
relaxing. He listened (after a few tries), and Roxy seemed grateful based
on the amount of hand licking I got.

--
Lynne

In article 42,
Lynne wrote:
Do you have experience with anything like this? No one else has bothered
to reply so maybe I'm doing okay?

A few people have replied, but maybe the posts haven't made
their way to your server yet.

It's a balancing act and requires judgment. On the one hand
you definitely don't want the puppy to be badgering the
older dog, but on the other hand you do want the puppy
learning to be a good citizen (i.e. socialization) and that
means having the older dog teach the puppy to back off.
Basically, I allow some of it but not to the point where the
older dog is seriously annoyed. Whether or not "letting
nature take its course" is a good idea depends on what
nature has gotten herself up to. This is also a good time
(and a good circumstance) to make sure that each dog has its
own safe space that it can go to to get away if it wants.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

(Melinda Shore) wrote in
:

Whether or not "letting
nature take its course" is a good idea depends on what
nature has gotten herself up to.

I love this statement!

--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Max the pomeranian
& Rosalie the calico cat

I've had some issues with the same thing with Gabby and Buddy. She just
doesn't know when to stop it seems and I've been letting Buddy handle it.
Usually he looks at her and gives a growl and she backs off on. One or two
occasions he's snapped at her. For the most part I let them sort it out she
needs to learn where she stands and when to stop what she's doing.

The only time I interferred is the once when the growl and turned into a
nasty snarl and I though he was at his wits and was really going to rip into
her.. At that point scolded her and put her in her kennel for a while to
calm down and give him a break.

At this point in time I would never leave the two of them alone in the house
loose. She just doesn't have enough common sense just yet to know when
it's time to call it quits

Now the cats are another thing I constantly have to scold her for harassing
the cats. The two oldest are putting her in her place and just this weekend
Spot had enough and turned on her and chased her through the kitchen into
the dining room. It was a welcome site I wasn't sure Spot was ever going to
stand up to her but now she is.

Celeste



"Lynne" wrote in message
. 97.142...
Well I guess the honeymoon period is over. For both of them. Hendrix is
BOLD and rough with Roxy, and she's starting to express her irritation by
putting him in his place in a seemingly harsh way. Not all the time, and
they are still enjoying each other when I let them play, but once in a
while, Roxy just lays into Hendrix. One snap, which may or may not hurt,
then Hendrix yelps LOUDLY, and keeps his distance. But not for long...
Then they get separated.

I can't always figure out why she's pissed, but it's never over food or
toys. They eat separately, and they actually share toys really well.
It's
usually during a wrestling match, or when Hendrix wants to start one.

Anwyay, what should I do? Do I say anything to her or to him? Let them
work it out on their own? (Under my watchful eyes, of course, always.)
Ideally, I'm ending play sessions before Roxy gets frustrated, but
sometimes I see no cues that it's coming. A complicating factor is that
Roxy has been on an antihistimine roller coaster, with one that really,
really messed her up for a day this past week. That was the first time
she
got bitchy with him. She's feeling better today, but it's still
happening.

Thanks for any advice. We're having a total blast here with Hendrix, and
I
just want to make sure I'm not screwing anything up.

--
Lynne

Lynne wrote in
. 97.142:

Well I guess the honeymoon period is over. For both of them. Hendrix
is BOLD and rough with Roxy, and she's starting to express her
irritation by putting him in his place in a seemingly harsh way. Not
all the time, and they are still enjoying each other when I let them
play, but once in a while, Roxy just lays into Hendrix. One snap,
which may or may not hurt, then Hendrix yelps LOUDLY, and keeps his
distance. But not for long... Then they get separated.


She's probably pissed because puppies are bundles of never ending PITA
energy. They don't necessarily have to do anything specific to get on an
older dog's (or person's) nerves.

What I do is let the other dog correct the puppy as long as it is not
beyond what I allow my dogs to do. My personal rule is that they can
growl, but not touch, an offending dog. If the puppy doesn't get that
the growl means back off, I help enforce that rather than have the dog
try to figure out how to get the point across without breaking my rules
of what they are and are not allowed to do to the other dogs in the
house.

It's hard to tell if the yelping loudly is because he's seriously hurt or
not. Molly tripped over Scooter today and he yelped like he was dying
once and then got back up and chased her down. Obviously, no limbs were
broken and he was not, as we had been led to believe, one foot into the
grave. Molly backed off on her own. She continued to play chase with
him but never got more than a body's length (hers, not his) away from
him, which actually made for some good comedy when he would stop short to
bark and play bow, change directions or rest. I was watching and if she
had not changed anything and continued to run over him, I would have told
her to cool it and separated them even though Scooter wanted to keep
playing.

The bigger problem is when Scooter wants to play when other dogs don't.
He doesn't take no for an answer very well yet. Molly will ignore him,
so I just have to tell him to stop yapping at her and throw a toy over
his head or something to distract him away from her. Sammie gets
annoyed, hypocritical as this may be coming from the dog who has pulled
hair out of Molly's thigh trying to get her to play when she didn't want
to. So whether Sammie growls at him or just ignores him, I tell Scooter
to leave him alone and take him off somewhere else and give him something
else to play with. If he goes back to bug him again, it's a no and a
separation. If he still doesn't get it, he gets crated until he learns
to play with what I give him and leave Sammie alone if Sammie doesn't
respond positively to his invitations.

If you see signs that Roxy is giving Hendrix a warning, try backing her
up then so Hendrix learns to respond to the first warning and Roxy
doesn't get pushed to giving him a smack-down. If you don't see a
warning, there's not much you can do if sometimes she is okay with rough
play and sometimes she isn't, but don't allow her corrections to go
beyond what you are comfortable with. She'll learn to do what gets your
backup and his cooperation and he'll learn to pay attention to earlier
and less extreme cues and they'll both learn what you do and don't
tolerate by way of rough play and corrections and then it will be easier
sailing.

Paula

on Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:08:29 GMT, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

It's a balancing act and requires judgment. On the one hand
you definitely don't want the puppy to be badgering the
older dog, but on the other hand you do want the puppy
learning to be a good citizen (i.e. socialization) and that
means having the older dog teach the puppy to back off.
Basically, I allow some of it but not to the point where the
older dog is seriously annoyed.

This makes good sense and is what I've started doing, so I think we are on
the right track.

Whether or not "letting
nature take its course" is a good idea depends on what
nature has gotten herself up to. This is also a good time
(and a good circumstance) to make sure that each dog has its
own safe space that it can go to to get away if it wants.

Good advice. Thank you, Melinda.

--
Lynne