In article ,
elegy wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:08:50 -0500, diddy none wrote:

When a dog demands attention i give it to them,
if they have a legit issue, it's handled. If not, I clip a toenail, and the
attention getting motions vanish

haha! i have one cat who is in my face constantly when i'm at the
computer. i run a comb over him a couple times and he instantly
vanishes!

My dogs LIKE to get their toenails cut - at least if one of the others
is getting it done. Weird beasts!

In-my-face demands are not given into though, and there isn't enough
room in the bed for the dogs without us all bursting into flames from
the body heat!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Aug 7, 10:07 pm, Paula wrote:
"
wrote roups.com:

Thanks for the information, that was really what my inquiry was about,
obtaining information. I wanted to know the types of pain the injury
can cause, and to what severity. All I got from the other people to
this point was attacks.

It varies significantly what kind of pain you have, what level and what
area is in pain. You have disks all along your spine. A herniated
cervical disk is a whole different ballgame from a herniated lumbar disk,
for example, as is a disk that is constantly hitting nerve and one that
only does so every once in a great while.

As for the attacks, be careful how you ask questions and what assumptions
they may imply. I was a defense attorney in all the disk injury cases I
worked. I was very glad that I had investigated instead of assuming and
respected instead of ridiculing when I ended up on the other side of the
system. Not that I didn't get really pissed off at those who it turned
out were abusing the system. But getting a lot of information before
coming to that conclusion made a big difference in how I could sleep at
night. Your friend may be a malingerer or she may be in chronic severe
pain or she may (most likely) be somewhere in between those extremes on
the continuum. It would be hard for you to know without any more
knowledge on back injury than you have, seeing as how you are asking
extremely basic questions about what is even possible, never mind how to
figure out where a particular person lies within those possibilities.

Paula

My lack of knowledge back problems was why I was curious. I don't
really care if she is cheating the system or not, that is between her
and somebody else. That doesn't prevent me from getting suspicious.
Most likely, my suspicions are biased based on previous incidents, she
has been a big whiner the entire time I have known her. So when she
complains about back pain and keeps going to different doctors until
she finds one who will put her on disability, my first instinct in her
case would be she is making things out worse than they are. But that
doesn't mean she is in this case, and thanks to the input of people
here who experience back problems I know that my suspicions are most
likely uncalled for.

I never would have said anything to her because as some have been
quick to point out, I am not in her shoes, and if she is truly in as
much pain as she claims, it would be very rude to claim she was
lying. But just because I wouldn't say anything, doesn't mean
suspicions won't form, as they did. I didn't phrase my initial
question correctly, and took a lot of heat as a result. What I was
really seeking was either confirmation that if she had that problem
and couldn't work, she wouldn't be able to do other things as well,
or, as I have found out now, that she could still do those things and
yet working at a desk job would be too much pain for her. Thanks to
first hand opinions on this I now see that the suspicions are
unwarranted.

I get suspicious of things all the time, some suspicions are
unwarranted, others aren't. When I do get suspicious of something I
use whatever resources present themselves to try and determine if they
are just or not. I don't act on a simple suspicion, as I know they
are not always true.

Nick

wrote:

My lack of knowledge back problems was why I was curious.

You weren't curious. You were asking Diddy to support your
assumption that your "friend" is a wimpy, whiny, shirker.

I never would have said anything to her because as some have been
quick to point out, I am not in her shoes, and if she is truly in as
much pain as she claims, it would be very rude to claim she was
lying.

If she were actually a friend, I expect you could figure out how to
have a conversation with her about it without making her feel like
you were accusing her of lying.

I didn't phrase my initial
question correctly, and took a lot of heat as a result.

Actually, I think your phrasing perfectly reflected your biases.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"
spoke these words of wisdom
in ups.com:

On Aug 7, 10:07 pm, Paula wrote:
"
wrote
roups.com:

Thanks for the information, that was really what my inquiry was
about, obtaining information. I wanted to know the types of pain
the injury can cause, and to what severity. All I got from the
other people to this point was attacks.

It varies significantly what kind of pain you have, what level and
what area is in pain. You have disks all along your spine. A
herniated cervical disk is a whole different ballgame from a
herniated lumbar disk, for example, as is a disk that is constantly
hitting nerve and one that only does so every once in a great while.

As for the attacks, be careful how you ask questions and what
assumptions they may imply. I was a defense attorney in all the disk
injury cases I worked. I was very glad that I had investigated
instead of assuming and respected instead of ridiculing when I ended
up on the other side of the system. Not that I didn't get really
pissed off at those who it turned out were abusing the system. But
getting a lot of information before coming to that conclusion made a
big difference in how I could sleep at night. Your friend may be a
malingerer or she may be in chronic severe pain or she may (most
likely) be somewhere in between those extremes on the continuum. It
would be hard for you to know without any more knowledge on back
injury than you have, seeing as how you are asking extremely basic
questions about what is even possible, never mind how to figure out
where a particular person lies within those possibilities.

Paula

My lack of knowledge back problems was why I was curious. I don't
really care if she is cheating the system or not, that is between her
and somebody else. That doesn't prevent me from getting suspicious.
Most likely, my suspicions are biased based on previous incidents, she
has been a big whiner the entire time I have known her. So when she
complains about back pain and keeps going to different doctors until
she finds one who will put her on disability, my first instinct in her
case would be she is making things out worse than they are. But that
doesn't mean she is in this case, and thanks to the input of people
here who experience back problems I know that my suspicions are most
likely uncalled for.

I never would have said anything to her because as some have been
quick to point out, I am not in her shoes, and if she is truly in as
much pain as she claims, it would be very rude to claim she was
lying. But just because I wouldn't say anything, doesn't mean
suspicions won't form, as they did. I didn't phrase my initial
question correctly, and took a lot of heat as a result. What I was
really seeking was either confirmation that if she had that problem
and couldn't work, she wouldn't be able to do other things as well,
or, as I have found out now, that she could still do those things and
yet working at a desk job would be too much pain for her. Thanks to
first hand opinions on this I now see that the suspicions are
unwarranted.

I get suspicious of things all the time, some suspicions are
unwarranted, others aren't. When I do get suspicious of something I
use whatever resources present themselves to try and determine if they
are just or not. I don't act on a simple suspicion, as I know they
are not always true.

Nick



Another thing with disc issues. Discs take a much longer time to inflame
than soft tissue. So what you may get away with doing today, severla
hours or days later may come back to haunt you for weeks. Inflammation a
long time coming, and a long time going away.

The problems with testing, if a fresh subject comes to take tests to see
if they survive a days (or half days) rehab, everything may look great.
But follow up a day or two or after a couple of successive days of work,
and they find they can't get out of bed, and are screaming in agony.

What a person might be able to sustain for a day, or perhaps two
consecutive days, in no way means they can sustain it daily. Or long
enough to make a meaningful living.
If you see such a person being a real trooper for a day or so.. the key
before jumping to conclusions is to follow up. Chances are, they did
their best, and then dissappeared for a week or month to recuperate.

Of course, if you don't see them, you only remember how well they did,
You don't see or feel the pain of the recovery and aftermath.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:37 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:

[...]
Does everybody here have back and knee problems? That might
explain some things.

No. People get snappy when they animals suffering because of their
human's hubris.

Hope, I'd usually rather eat the north end of a southbound skunk than
defend Bozo Man, but why are you so convinced that these dogs are
suffering?

Define suffering.

In what way(s) are they suffering?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In
the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives -
as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/...beral-doe.html

"Reality-based" Rabbi Defends Michael Vick:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...iberal_lo.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system,
which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same
reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current
approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging."
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:37 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:

[...]
Does everybody here have back and knee problems? That might
explain some things.

No. People get snappy when they animals suffering because of their
human's hubris.

Hope, I'd usually rather eat the north end of a southbound skunk than
defend Bozo Man, but why are you so convinced that these dogs are
suffering?

Define suffering.

In what way(s) are they suffering?


And I find it strange to be in agreement with you on this issue, but it
seems that some people develop an on-line persona that makes them a
permanent target of "abuse", so that their every action is criticized, and
past mistakes are constantly dug up and paraded as if they are still
happening. And others seem to love ragging on people. I've learned to
accept it and rely more on the feedback from my "real life" friends, and
even more importantly, my dogs.

Muttley and Lucky are doing very well, and they are both grateful for the
air conditioning on this opressively hot and humid day in MD. Look at
Lucky's relaxed smile on the new photos to see how much she is suffering.

www.smart.net/~pstech/Lucky/LuckyAdoption.pdf
www.smart.net/~pstech/Lucky/LuckyAdoption.htm

Paul, Muttley, and Lucky

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:01:34 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:

[...]
No. People get snappy when they animals suffering because of their
human's hubris.

Hope, I'd usually rather eat the north end of a southbound skunk than
defend Bozo Man, but why are you so convinced that these dogs are
suffering?

Define suffering.

In what way(s) are they suffering?

And I find it strange to be in agreement with you on this issue, but it
seems that some people develop an on-line persona that makes them a
permanent target of "abuse"
[...]

Bozo Man, roughly 90% of the "abuse" you've suffered here has been
well-deserved.

The other 10%?

Not so much.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In
the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives -
as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/...beral-doe.html

"Reality-based" Rabbi Defends Michael Vick:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...iberal_lo.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system,
which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same
reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current
approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging."
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B

On Aug 7, 8:37 am, "Bill" wrote:
This is unusual?

Is the name of this group rec.pets.dogs.behavior.unusual?

I didn't say you were off topic. What I said (in the form of a
question) was that the behavior was not unusual. And if the behavior
is common, you should elaborate so a reader will understand your
point. Are you asking a question, perhaps how to keep the dog off the
pillow, or are you saying something else?

But you haven't clarified so far, and the thread has been up for a
while. You're probably not concerned, so neither am I.


--
(||) Nehmo (||)

I can't recall who mentioned MRI's and the unpleasantness of them, but I
would like to share this info with who ever did or for any one that may
be in need of one. I had another one recently. I drove 100 miles RT to
get to Orlando for it. It is called a standing MRI and the glossy
brochure shows you encircled in plastic with your face and frontal part
of your body open. The brochure shows you seated with a belt around
your waist and chatting with a tech.
I do not know why they call it a standing or stand up MRI as you are
seated. There is not an inch to move around. You are encased and open
in front. You are locked in with a tension bar at the waist. When they
do the cervical spine the bar is then under your neck, holding you in
place. In both cases there is a pillow over the bar to rest on (so to
speak) Plasma Tv. Oprah was on. It was not pleasant, but superior to
an open MRI and it has to be superior to a regular MRI. I assume, since
I refuse to have one.
I live in Fl, the senior citizen mecca and they are not easy to find, so
I guess it depends on where you live as to how available they are. If
you need one, I recommend that version of MRI if it is available to you.


Be Free.....Judy

In article ,
Judith Althouse wrote:
I live in Fl, the senior citizen mecca and they are not easy to find, so
I guess it depends on where you live as to how available they are. If
you need one, I recommend that version of MRI if it is available to you.

That's pretty interesting. Today I learned that someone I
know had a seizure on Sunday (at the triathlon, of all
places, but at least there were plenty of medical personnel
there) and they think that maybe it was a stroke but they're
not sure, and she refuses to have an MRI. I didn't realize
it was that common to hate the things that much.

I guess they don't allow a sedative while you're having one
done? I have of late become a HUGE fan of IV sedation.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community