Okay, the neighbors - the ones with the boxer who was ill-trained and drove
everyone crazy - had to have him PTS about three weeks ago. They had
considered (as I had hoped they would) going dogless for a while but
couldn't stand it.

So, they now have a seven week old fawn and white boxer. Over half white.
BYB. (They do intend to have him neutered and understand that he never
should be bred.)

I would like to take a proactive course of action to try to head off a
repeat of the previous dog. They are open to suggestions - particularly
since they now have small grandchildren whose parents don't appreciate them
being knocked over by a large dog. Their daughter has two HUGE Rotties who
are not a problem with their kids. And this couple had, back when their
kids were small, a very well trained boxer. So they know it can be done.

I just visited the puppy and we had a discussion about training him to be
better around little kids than the last one was. I suggested that they NOT
follow their daughter's advice about jerking the puppy's choke collar down
to the ground every time he tries to jump up. Instead I proposed teaching a
VERY solid "sit". Emphasizing that it's easier to teach a positive action
than a negative one. (And I suggested they take off the choke collar he was
wearing around the house. They did immediately.)

They even asked about boxers and agility training. So I'm hoping that it
means that they are going to be willing to do more work with this dog. And
having seen the results the last time, *I* will be more willing to step in
and work with him - on a daily basis if need be and if they'll let me. It
makes *my* life easier when the neighbor's dog behaves.

But I'm thinking first of making up a puppy basket for them and including
some reading material. I have, in the past, seen suggestions for Brian
Kilcommons' book "Childproofing Your Dog". I see now that he has a new book
out "My Smart Puppy". Any thoughts on these books? I understand that
Kilcommons has changed his training methods somewhat since his earlier
books?

Any other suggestions for general puppy training books? Especially ones
that address large(r) breeds and little kids?

Judy Russell
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"Judy" wrote in message:

Okay, the neighbors - the ones with the boxer who was ill-trained and
drove
everyone crazy - had to have him PTS about three weeks ago.

That sucks!

So, they now have a seven week old fawn and white boxer.

People like this should really think about getting an older, reasonably well
trained dog from a rescue or a good breeder.

I would like to take a proactive course of action to try to head off a
repeat of the previous dog.

Who can blame you? Our sorta neighbor's new dog (now a little over a year
old) has turned out to be reasonably dog aggressive. He even got a bite
into Khan (who was on-leash, on our driveway; the other dog was off-leash
and playing with the 9 year old in the family). That's the last time I've
seen him off-leash, so at least they're doing something about it.

Any other suggestions for general puppy training books? Especially ones
that address large(r) breeds and little kids?

Not a puppy training book, but Ian Dunbar's Sirius Puppy Training video is
pretty good ,as is 'After you get your puppy' (they should've read 'Before
you get your puppy' which is available for free now -
http://www.jamesandkenneth.com/new_puppy.html).

Suja

Suja

"Suja" wrote in message
...

"Judy" wrote in message:

Okay, the neighbors - the ones with the boxer who was ill-trained and
drove
everyone crazy - had to have him PTS about three weeks ago.

That sucks!

It actually was very sad. The friends and family were all of the same mind
"I really hated that dog but.......". He did get very sick at the end and
was in a lot of pain so the PTS was a relief.

So, they now have a seven week old fawn and white boxer.

People like this should really think about getting an older, reasonably
well
trained dog from a rescue or a good breeder.

Uh-huh. They are convinced that you *have* to get a puppy in order to train
it the way you want it. (Or in the case of the last dog, not train it.)
And they consider AKC papers as proof of good breeding. Or at least okay
breeding. And they haven't gotten burned by poor health in their BYB dogs.
So I pick my battles.

I would like to take a proactive course of action to try to head off a
repeat of the previous dog.

Who can blame you? Our sorta neighbor's new dog (now a little over a year
old) has turned out to be reasonably dog aggressive.

The last dog was completely non-aggressive. He loved everyone - dogs and
humans alike. He just was a boxer with no training. Rough and rowdy and
bouncy but not a mean bone in his body.

He even got a bite
into Khan (who was on-leash, on our driveway; the other dog was off-leash
and playing with the 9 year old in the family). That's the last time I've
seen him off-leash, so at least they're doing something about it.

That would make me extremely unhappy. In some ways that's an easier
situation to deal with then this old boxer was. If he had been mean or
dog-aggressive, they would have done something about him.

Not a puppy training book, but Ian Dunbar's Sirius Puppy Training video is
pretty good ,as is 'After you get your puppy' (they should've read 'Before
you get your puppy' which is available for free now -
http://www.jamesandkenneth.com/new_puppy.html).

Thanks for those suggestions!

Judy

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:25:14 -0400, "Judy"
wrote:

[...]
But I'm thinking first of making up a puppy basket for them and including
some reading material. I have, in the past, seen suggestions for Brian
Kilcommons' book "Childproofing Your Dog". I see now that he has a new book
out "My Smart Puppy". Any thoughts on these books?

I'd give each two thumbs up.

I understand that
Kilcommons has changed his training methods somewhat since his earlier
books?

Not to my knowledge.

Any other suggestions for general puppy training books? Especially ones
that address large(r) breeds and little kids?

Mother Knows Best: The Natural Way To Train Your Dog, by Carol
Benjamin, is pretty good, too.

And, of course, there's always the classic, The Art of Raising a
Puppy, by the Monks of New Skete.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Let's hope that this message takes hold, and soon:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/0...-muslims-sing/

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In
the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives -
as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/...beral-doe.html

"Reality-based" Rabbi Defends Michael Vick:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...iberal_lo.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system,
which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same
reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current
approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging."
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
I understand that
Kilcommons has changed his training methods somewhat since his earlier
books?

Not to my knowledge.

I was thinking he had changed his earlier total endorsement of the Wodehouse
methods of leash training?

Mother Knows Best: The Natural Way To Train Your Dog, by Carol
Benjamin, is pretty good, too.

And, of course, there's always the classic, The Art of Raising a
Puppy, by the Monks of New Skete.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Didn't the New Skete book include stuff about alpha rolling?

Judy

In article ,
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:



Mother Knows Best: The Natural Way To Train Your Dog, by Carol
Benjamin, is pretty good, too.

I continue to recommend this. She also wrote a book "Dog Training for
Kids" that may be useful.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
Judy wrote:
Didn't the New Skete book include stuff about alpha rolling?

In the new version they say that while they'd recommended it
in the first edition they can't continue to do so, and had a
brief discussion of why they've stopped.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

I like Patricia McConnells books, and they're quite affordable. She's
got one for puppies and for adults. Check Amazon or dogwise. You
might also include a kong with the basket.

Hope

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:42:49 -0400, "Judy"
wrote:

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
.. .
I understand that
Kilcommons has changed his training methods somewhat since his earlier
books?

Not to my knowledge.

I was thinking he had changed his earlier total endorsement of the Wodehouse
methods of leash training?

Again, not to my knowledge, Judy. If you watch his videos, you'll see
a lot of Woodhouse.

On the other hand, every trainer eventually adds his own touch, and
there are probably subtle (and maybe not so subtle) differences
between the two.

For example, I don't think he says "Walkies! WALKIES!" Heh.

Mother Knows Best: The Natural Way To Train Your Dog, by Carol
Benjamin, is pretty good, too.

And, of course, there's always the classic, The Art of Raising a
Puppy, by the Monks of New Skete.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Didn't the New Skete book include stuff about alpha rolling?

Not the new editions.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Let's hope that this message takes hold, and soon:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/0...-muslims-sing/

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In
the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives -
as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/...beral-doe.html

"Reality-based" Rabbi Defends Michael Vick:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...iberal_lo.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system,
which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same
reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current
approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging."
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B

(Melinda Shore) wrote in news:f9ij21$b6o$1
@panix2.panix.com:

In article ,
Judy wrote:
Didn't the New Skete book include stuff about alpha rolling?

In the new version they say that while they'd recommended it
in the first edition they can't continue to do so, and had a
brief discussion of why they've stopped.

It's nice to see people who are able not only to change their minds but
admit to it.

Paula