lookingaround spoke these words of wisdom in
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On Aug 23, 7:11 pm, diddy none wrote:
"Paul E. Schoen" spoke these words of wisdom
:



"diddy" none wrote in message
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it's this comment from this thread where it appears that you seem to
think
NILIF is harmful

My quoted comment:
But that
is his business. I just want to give his methods a chance to work.
Maybe they aren't new, but I have not found anything quite like
them.

Actually that portion of the training is called shaping. It's a
commonly used pmethod of training and it DOES work, if you have the
patience and proper timing. It's not new, and it's not Jerry's.[TM]

There are times it's advantageous to wait for a dog to offer a behavior
and reward it. Then the dog will offer the reward again, hoping for a
reward.

I am shaping a dog to pick up a dumbell, who was nearly ruined at a
Sandy Ludwig seminar. This was a sheltie. The owner came to me after
the seminar in tears. I looked to see what she was upset about, and the
dog's tongue was swollen and bruised.

we decided after that seminar, we would take this slowly and let the
dog volunteer to pick the dumbell. This is painstakingly slow. But i
feel this is the only way we will ever get this dog to retrieve.
'I never attended that seminar, but a whole bunch of people came home
from it, telling tales about the events that occurred, especially with
this particular Sheltie.
There are a whole lot of rave reviews over this person's seminars.

If that were MY sheltie...I'd left there for jail. I'm livid about what
happened to that sheltie, and she's not even mine.

Anyway.. back on topic. There are valueable places for shaping in
training. You already know it doesn't work well with Muttley.

How was the injury inflicted? A dumbbell forced and mouth held
closed?





I wasn't there. I think so

elegy wrote:

they were driven from maine to connecticut for me and i drove from pa
to connecticut to get them. but lookit how cute!

http://escape.nightsfall.net/shudder/images/mainerats.jpg

Cute, for sure! Those bright little eyes! And you can almost see
their little noses and whiskers quivering.

aaron is the beige and white guy, and andrew the black capped one.
they were good rats.

Rats can be pretty awesome pets. I had a roommate in college who
had rats. They were super gentle and gregarious. She took them
everywhere with her (including her classes and work), so they got a
lot of socialization.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

It should be bad news for the irresponsible stupid owners!
So sad!
--
~shady angel~

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
"GIG HARBOR, Wash. -- A 59-year-old woman has been hospitalized after
being mauled by two pit bulls who came into her house Tuesday morning.

"Pierce County Sheriff spokesman Ed Troyer said the two dogs came
through a door that was left slightly open and attacked the woman
while she was in bed at about 9 a.m. The dogs did not belong to her."

http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9295026.html

Questions abound.

Did she leave a door to the house open, or did the dogs enter through
the doggy door.

The woman supposedly defended herself with a firearm, but couldn't hit
either dog?

She was "injured severely" but is in "satisfactory condition"?

She supposedly has a service dog. Where was it? The Jack Russell
supposedly came in through a doggy door, and was killed. Again, where
was the service dog? What kind of service dog?

The owner of one of the dogs was dog-sitting the other one, kept it on
a chain in his fenced backyard, and then both dogs apparently escaped.

And it wasn't their first time, apparently, reflecting repeated
negligence. I hope he's saved his money, cuz he's going to need it.

Anyway, provided the story is accurate, the thought that these dogs
would enter a strange house and do this, is quite disturbing (even to
me, someone who adores the breed).

The morons who are breeding most of these dogs today are the real
culprits, of course, but its going to be the breed as a whole that
will eventually pay the price.

They may call these dogs pit bulls, but really they're not.

They're something else.