A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google. He
has Sebaceous adenitis, which is apparently incurable. All I can do
is wash him often with medicated shampoo.
Anybody else had any experience with this?

On Sep 10, 12:53 am, GWB wrote:
A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google. He
has Sebaceous adenitis, which is apparently incurable. All I can do
is wash him often with medicated shampoo.
Anybody else had any experience with this?

I belong to a poodle mailing list which you can join by going to
vipoodle.org. I think growing up we had a poodle that had this. We
had to use some of the tar shampoos for relief. There are lots of
knowledgeable people on the PSG group

"GWB" wrote in message
...
A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google. He
has Sebaceous adenitis, which is apparently incurable. All I can do
is wash him often with medicated shampoo.

..........Not really. Are you also giving him essential fatty acids?
http://www.upei.ca/cidd/Diseases/der...20adenitis.htm

.........Have you tried this treatment?
http://www.vipoodle.org/docs/hmrxsa.htm

Read Spring 1999 newsletter (page 3) for comments by a vet on the oil soak
described above:
http://www.cerebussamoyeds.com/sebaceousadenitis3.htm

An owner comes up with his own treatment using oils and herbs:
http://www.akita-friends.com/special/satreat.htm

And I would definitely contact the Genodermatosis Research Foundation for
the very latest in treatment suggestions - address at end of page:
http://www.natural-akita.com/JPTeez/html/sa.html

Anybody else had any experience with this?

......Here's the results of a survey someone did - symptoms, misdiagnoses,
treatment:
http://www.lhasaapso.org/Health_Genetics/Sebaceous.htm

And I'd get a firm diagnosis
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00094.htm
*Biopsy of the skin is usually diagnostic.*

A Yahoo group for SA is mentioned at the end of this page:
http://www.samoyedhealthfoundation.o...itis-sa?showlo
ng=1

I will note that sometimes SA is compounded by hypothyroidism or Addison's
disease - both common in standard poodles, so perhaps some testing is in
order also.

.......so there's a lot more you can do than shampooing. And Googling
sebaceous adenitis I get lots of hits from breed sites and lots of personal
stories. I'd read until my eyeballs fell out. Get busy.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

"GWB" wrote in message:

A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google.

Has he been tested to rule out other medical problems that can lead to
similar issues? Hypothyroidism, Diabetes Mellitus, Diabetes Insipidus,
Cushing's disease, Addison's, etc. come to mind.

Suja

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:47:34 -0400, "buglady"
wrote:

"GWB" wrote in message
.. .
A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google. He
has Sebaceous adenitis, which is apparently incurable. All I can do
is wash him often with medicated shampoo.

.........Not really. Are you also giving him essential fatty acids?
http://www.upei.ca/cidd/Diseases/der...20adenitis.htm

........Have you tried this treatment?
http://www.vipoodle.org/docs/hmrxsa.htm

Read Spring 1999 newsletter (page 3) for comments by a vet on the oil soak
described above:
http://www.cerebussamoyeds.com/sebaceousadenitis3.htm

An owner comes up with his own treatment using oils and herbs:
http://www.akita-friends.com/special/satreat.htm

And I would definitely contact the Genodermatosis Research Foundation for
the very latest in treatment suggestions - address at end of page:
http://www.natural-akita.com/JPTeez/html/sa.html

Anybody else had any experience with this?

.....Here's the results of a survey someone did - symptoms, misdiagnoses,
treatment:
http://www.lhasaapso.org/Health_Genetics/Sebaceous.htm

And I'd get a firm diagnosis
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00094.htm
*Biopsy of the skin is usually diagnostic.*

A Yahoo group for SA is mentioned at the end of this page:
http://www.samoyedhealthfoundation.o...itis-sa?showlo
ng=1

I will note that sometimes SA is compounded by hypothyroidism or Addison's
disease - both common in standard poodles, so perhaps some testing is in
order also.

......so there's a lot more you can do than shampooing. And Googling
sebaceous adenitis I get lots of hits from breed sites and lots of personal
stories. I'd read until my eyeballs fell out. Get busy.

buglady
take out the dog before replying





Thanks for all the links. I've seen most of them.
I'm about to start trying the oil thing.
Next time I take him to the vet, I'lll know what to tell him.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:16:42 -0700, NSN wrote:

My Standard, Coco, has a severe case of SA. I am controlling it by
spraying her with Propylene Glycol every other night. Her body hair is
totally affected except for her head. Quite a mess !!! If you
somehow manage to get me your phone number I will call you.
Much to talk about.

Norm

Norman S. Nadel, M.D.


On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:53:52 -0500, GWB wrote:

A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google. He
has Sebaceous adenitis, which is apparently incurable. All I can do
is wash him often with medicated shampoo.
Anybody else had any experience with this?


I just happen to have about a half gallon of Propylene Glycol hanging
around.
(If you're a cigar smoker, that would make sense to you. G)

So far, I've only done the medicated shampoo thing; Malseb and Relief
(Pramoxine).
I only recently figured out what his problem was; I haven't done the
oil treatment yet. Sounds like a mess.



(email sent)

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:37:41 -0400, "Suja" wrote:


"GWB" wrote in message:

A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google.

Has he been tested to rule out other medical problems that can lead to
similar issues? Hypothyroidism, Diabetes Mellitus, Diabetes Insipidus,
Cushing's disease, Addison's, etc. come to mind.

Suja



I will discuss those issues with his vet, but it is clearly SA.

My email to you bounced. My eatel address is valid.
Thanks.



On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:29:18 -0500, GWB wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:16:42 -0700, NSN wrote:

My Standard, Coco, has a severe case of SA. I am controlling it by
spraying her with Propylene Glycol every other night. Her body hair is
totally affected except for her head. Quite a mess !!! If you
somehow manage to get me your phone number I will call you.
Much to talk about.

Norm

Norman S. Nadel, M.D.


On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:53:52 -0500, GWB wrote:

A couple of years ago, my 7 year old standard poodle starting getting
dry flaking skin on his back, then hair loss. It has been getting
progressively worse. His thick, beautiful coat is a thing of the past
and he smells bad. The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google. He
has Sebaceous adenitis, which is apparently incurable. All I can do
is wash him often with medicated shampoo.
Anybody else had any experience with this?


I just happen to have about a half gallon of Propylene Glycol hanging
around.
(If you're a cigar smoker, that would make sense to you. G)

So far, I've only done the medicated shampoo thing; Malseb and Relief
(Pramoxine).
I only recently figured out what his problem was; I haven't done the
oil treatment yet. Sounds like a mess.



(email sent)

GWB wrote:

The vet didn't diagnose it; I did, on Google.

Teh Google can now perform skin biopsies? Cool!

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