pfoley wrote:

"Kathleen" wrote in message
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Spamfree! wrote:


Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier

It's my understanding that this is basically one breed with different

ears.

I'd list it as Norwich/Norfolk Terriers. Or vice versa.

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As far as I know, they are two different breeds: Norwich Terrier, (pointed
ears) and Norfolk Terrier (tipped ears)

Quotedfrom AKC
"In 1964 England recognized the drop ear Norwich as a separate breed,
terming them the Norfolk Terrier. The American Kennel Club took the same
step effective January 1, 1979. The recognition of the two varieties as
separate breeds is now the rule in all English-speaking countries and in
Europe and Scandinavia.
Visually there appears to be a distinct difference between the two breeds,
resulting in two slightly different breed standards. Each breed has
developed with success since separation."

Yeah, I know all that. But even afficionados of either breed will admit
that if you could swap out the ears even they wouldn't be sure about the
breed. There's a really big overlap in appearance.

Hi Group

Thanks for your help to date!

You can be sure I've already trawled the web for suitable lists - plenty of
lists, none by general breed 'size'!

Incorporating the helpful comments received to date, laid out below is a
revised list.

Further comments welcomed! (Please!)

Regards.
___________________________________
Hi Group

Thanks for your help to date!

You can be sure I've already trawled the web for suitable lists - plenty of
lists, none by general breed 'size'!

Incorporating the helpful comments received to date (and a bit more web
research!), laid out below is a revised list.

Further comments welcomed! (Please!)

Regards.

___________________________________

Chihuahua
Pomeranian
Papillon
Havanese
Maltese
Yorkshire Terrier
Chinese Crested
Lhasa Apso
Maltese
Toy Fox Terrier
Bichon Frise
Poodle (Toy)
Manchester Terrier (Toy)
Pekingese
English Toy Spaniel
Shih Tzu
French Bulldog
Dachshund (Miniature)
Brussels Griffon
Hungarian Puli
Miniature Pinscher
Silky Terrier
Dandie Dinmont Terrier
Manchester Terrier (Standard)
Miniature Bull Terrier
Australian Terrier
Cairn Terrier
Scottish Terrier
Skye Terrier
West Highland White Terrier
Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier
Sealyham Terrier
Boston Terrier
Miniature Schnauzer
Italian Greyhound
Welsh Corgi
King Charles Cavalier Spaniel
Pug
Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
Poodle (Miniature)
Dachshund (Standard)
Jack Russell Terrier
Parson Russell Terrier
Border Terrier
Lakeland Terrier
Patterdale Terrier
Smooth Haired Fox Terrier
Wire Haired Fox Terrier
Welsh Terrier
Bedlington Terrier
Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
Irish Terrier
Beagle
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Whippet
Samoyed
Chinese Shar-Pei
English Cocker Spaniel
American Cocker Spaniel
Border Collie
Saluki
Bulldog
American Eskimo Dog
American Bulldog
Kerry Blue Terrier
Pharaoh Hound
American Pit Bull Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Poodle
American Staffordshire Terrier
Brittany Spaniel
Keeshund
Wire Haired Pointing Griffon
Bull Terrier
Norwegian Elkhound
Basset Hound
Irish Water Spaniel
American Water Spaniel
Vizsla
Standard Schnauzer
Sussex Spaniel
Welsh Springer Spaniel
English Springer Spaniel
Clumber Spaniel
English Foxhound
American Foxhound
Australian Cattle Dog
Siberian Husky
Shetland Sheepdog
English Setter
Dalmatian
Boxer
Alaskan Malamute
Chow Chow
Finnish Spitz
German Short Haired Pointer
German Wire Haired Pointer
Flat Coated Retriever
Smooth Coated Collie
Rough Coated Collie
Bearded Collie
Airedale Terrier
Pointer
Irish Setter
Briard
Catahoula Leopard Dog
Afghan Hound
Golden Retriever
Ibizan Hound
Labrador Retriever
Portuguese Water Dog
Doberman Pinscher
Greyhound
Weimaraner
Akita
Borzoi
Giant Schnauzer
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Lurcher
Giant Schnauzer
Bullmastiff
Black and Tan Coonhound
Belgian Sheepdog
Scottish Deerhound
German Shepherd Dog
Old English Sheepdog
Rottweiler
Great Pyrenean Mountain Dog
Otterhound
Bernese Mountain Dog
Neapolitan Mastiff
Irish Wolfhound
Newfoundland
Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
Bloodhound
Saint Bernard
Great Dane
Mastiff

And these are the breeds which haven't yet migrated into the main list:

Affenpinscher
Anatolian Shepherd
Australian Shepherd
Belgian Malinois
Belgian Tervuren
Bouvier Des Flandres
Brittany
Canaan Dog
Cane Corso
Chesapeake Bay Retriever
Coton de Tulear
Cesky Terrier
Harrier
Japanese Chin
Komondor
Kuvasz
Lowchen
Schipperke
Shiba Inu
Shiloh Shepherd
Tibetan Spaniel
Tibetan Terrier
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In article ,
"Spamfree!" wrote:

none by general breed 'size'!

I'm trying to figure out your criteria.

For instance - this section

Flat Coated Retriever - by breed standards a lighter dog than a Golden,
but otherwise very similar in size

Smooth Coated Collie
Rough Coated Collie
Bearded Collie - a shorter dog than the ones above and lighter to boot,
I'm pretty sure.

Airedale Terrier
Pointer
Irish Setter - taller than the above dogs
Briard
Catahoula Leopard Dog
Afghan Hound - again - a height thing - taller than a Golden for sure
Golden Retriever
Ibizan Hound
Labrador Retriever
Portuguese Water Dog - these dogs are smaller than any of the retrievers
Doberman Pinscher
Greyhound
Weimaraner - Weims are pretty similar in size to some other Pointer
breeds.

What are you looking for? Height? Weight? Bulk? BMI? Lurchers
(further down the list) are MUTTS. How did you determine size? Some of
the breeds seem all over the map.

BTW - the Belgians are all the "same"

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Spamfree!" wrote in message
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French Bulldog
Brussels Griffon
Hungarian Puli
Miniature Bull Terrier
Miniature Schnauzer
Miniature Pinscher
Silky Terrier
Cairn Terrier
Scottish Terrier
Lakeland Terrier
Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier
Boston Terrier
Beagle
Italian Greyhound
Welsh Corgi
King Charles Cavalier Spaniel
Pug
Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
Dachshund (Miniature)
West Highland White Terrier
Poodle (Miniature)
Bedlington Terrier
Dandie Dinmont Terrier
Manchester Terrier (Standard)
Smooth Haired Fox Terrier
Wire Haired Fox Terrier
Border Terrier
Patterdale Terrier
Jack Russell Terrier
Parson Russell Terrier

I can't even start to straighten this part out - and I think this is the
part of the list that you think you've got right?

But I am very sure that a Miniature Schnauzer is not smaller than a Silky
Terrier - and probably not smaller than some Parson Russells.or Miniature
Pinschers. Some of the Miniature Dachshunds I have seen have been fairly
small dogs. PBGVs I have seen have all been bulkier than your list would
indicate. Beagles will go over 20 pounds pretty easily - especially the 15
inch - which clearly makes them belong down on your list.

How can you possibly come up with a list when there is such a variation
within the breeds themselves? A 13 inch female beagle would vary greatly
from a 15 inch male. Both could be in great shape and well within the
standard but it would be impossible to place them on a list where two inches
and seen pounds makes a world of difference.

And I'm really unclear as to why this list would be helpful to anyone? A
list that shows dogs in categories - say under ten pounds, ten to twenty,
and so on - would be just as helpful for someone trying to sort out breeds
by size and would actually mean more.

Judy

"Judy" wrote in message
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A 13 inch female beagle would vary greatly
from a 15 inch male. Both could be in great shape and well within the
standard but it would be impossible to place them on a list where two
inches and seen pounds makes a world of difference.

That's SEVEN pounds.

Judy

"Kathleen" wrote in message
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pfoley wrote:

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...

Spamfree! wrote:


Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier

It's my understanding that this is basically one breed with different

ears.

I'd list it as Norwich/Norfolk Terriers. Or vice versa.

==================
As far as I know, they are two different breeds: Norwich Terrier,
(pointed
ears) and Norfolk Terrier (tipped ears)

Quotedfrom AKC
"In 1964 England recognized the drop ear Norwich as a separate breed,
terming them the Norfolk Terrier. The American Kennel Club took the same
step effective January 1, 1979. The recognition of the two varieties as
separate breeds is now the rule in all English-speaking countries and in
Europe and Scandinavia.
Visually there appears to be a distinct difference between the two
breeds,
resulting in two slightly different breed standards. Each breed has
developed with success since separation."

Yeah, I know all that. But even afficionados of either breed will admit
that if you could swap out the ears even they wouldn't be sure about the
breed. There's a really big overlap in appearance.
===========
Well, at the dog shows, they always show both breeds.

In article ,
"pfoley" wrote:


Well, at the dog shows, they always show both breeds.


"They" also show different color Cocker Spaniels in different
categories. Same breed. Not the same as the Norfolk/Norwich debate, but
shows that your criteria isn't on the mark.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"pfoley" wrote:


Well, at the dog shows, they always show both breeds.


"They" also show different color Cocker Spaniels in different
categories. Same breed. Not the same as the Norfolk/Norwich debate, but
shows that your criteria isn't on the mark.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Yes, I know that there are Cocker Spaniels shown as different varieties, but
the Norfolk and Norwich are shown as different breeds.

"pfoley" spoke these words of wisdom in
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"pfoley" wrote:


Well, at the dog shows, they always show both breeds.


"They" also show different color Cocker Spaniels in different
categories. Same breed. Not the same as the Norfolk/Norwich debate,
but shows that your criteria isn't on the mark.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
========
Yes, I know that there are Cocker Spaniels shown as different varieties,
but the Norfolk and Norwich are shown as different breeds.





pfoley...

In the show ring, all the varieties are also shown as different breeds
also. Which makes group judging go on forever. I just wish they would
settle the Cocker Wars in BREED, before they go to GROUP. Same for
Dachshunds, and the many other varieties that look like a variation of the
same breed.. over and over and over.

"diddy" none wrote in message
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"pfoley" spoke these words of wisdom in
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
"pfoley" wrote:


Well, at the dog shows, they always show both breeds.


"They" also show different color Cocker Spaniels in different
categories. Same breed. Not the same as the Norfolk/Norwich debate,
but shows that your criteria isn't on the mark.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
========
Yes, I know that there are Cocker Spaniels shown as different varieties,
but the Norfolk and Norwich are shown as different breeds.





pfoley...

In the show ring, all the varieties are also shown as different breeds
also. Which makes group judging go on forever. I just wish they would
settle the Cocker Wars in BREED, before they go to GROUP. Same for
Dachshunds, and the many other varieties that look like a variation of the
same breed.. over and over and over.
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They show the Beagle in different sizes, and now I thought I saw that they
classify the Boston Terrier in three different sizes also; not sure about
that one.