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She gets breakfast at 7-8 am and dinner at 8-9 pm. She gets walked 2-3
times a day -- either the "short block" which is 1/4 mile or the "long
block" which is 1/2 mile, one of each. She enjoys playing with our
border collie in the house. She also gets 30-60 every day outside doing
whatever she wants in the front yard with one or both of the other dogs,
except that I won't be doing that once it starts raining.

I think you need some "plain old potty breaks" instead of walks and play
every time she goes out. Just take out and back in things. I think
she's gotten it in her little brain that outside is for fun and games.
It IS, but AFTER potty. Stick to that dictate and you'll have a dog who
pees and poops when asked.

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My goal for her or any of our other dogs has been that she can either
hold it for the approximaely-every-four-hours supervised outdoor breaks
(two or three of which include a walk at the end of the outdoor break)
all our dogs get or that she let me know if she needs to go before then.
Is that unreasonable? I don't think so.

For a puppy? When active and playing? And a small one? No, I don't
think that's reasonable.

When I'm not home, my dogs can go as long as I'm gone (but I do try to
limit it to 9 hours tops). If I'm home, they go out much more
frequently, and definitely more than every 4 hours. Lucy doesn't have
any need to, but Rudy does (he's a pee machine) and Franklin did. On a
day I'm home all day they go out at 6, 6:40, then again anywhere between
8:30 and 10, depending on what I'm doing, then again by 2 at the latest,
but more often before that, again by 5 at the latest, sometime around
7/7:30, then at 10 before bed. That's at least SEVEN times in 26 hours.
And they are 60#+ adult dogs.

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Janet Boss wrote:

in 26 hours.

16 hours.

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Janet Boss wrote:

in 26 hours.

16 hours.


Thanks. My head was hurting from trying to re-read your post and do the
math. I assumed I was missing the unspoken overnight or something :-)

Tara

Janet Boss wrote:
In article ,
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
wrote:

My goal for her or any of our other dogs has been that she can either
hold it for the approximaely-every-four-hours supervised outdoor breaks
(two or three of which include a walk at the end of the outdoor break)
all our dogs get or that she let me know if she needs to go before then.
Is that unreasonable? I don't think so.

For a puppy? When active and playing? And a small one? No, I don't
think that's reasonable.

She's 7 months old (as opposed to being like 7 weeks old), and that's
not exactly an immediate goal but where I would like to end up. But do
note that my goal *included* that if she needed to go out in between
times, she would let me know.

When I'm not home, my dogs can go as long as I'm gone (but I do try to
limit it to 9 hours tops). If I'm home, they go out much more
frequently, and definitely more than every 4 hours. Lucy doesn't have
any need to, but Rudy does (he's a pee machine) and Franklin did. On a
day I'm home all day they go out at 6, 6:40, then again anywhere between
8:30 and 10, depending on what I'm doing, then again by 2 at the latest,
but more often before that, again by 5 at the latest, sometime around
7/7:30, then at 10 before bed. That's at least SEVEN times in 26 hours.
And they are 60#+ adult dogs.

Well, my other two dogs are 30-ish pounds and 40-ish pounds, and the
30-ish pound dog has geriatric post-spay incontinence, and she does okay
going out every 3-4 hours.

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Janet Boss wrote:
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Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
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She gets breakfast at 7-8 am and dinner at 8-9 pm. She gets walked 2-3
times a day -- either the "short block" which is 1/4 mile or the "long
block" which is 1/2 mile, one of each. She enjoys playing with our
border collie in the house. She also gets 30-60 every day outside doing
whatever she wants in the front yard with one or both of the other dogs,
except that I won't be doing that once it starts raining.

I think you need some "plain old potty breaks" instead of walks and play
every time she goes out. Just take out and back in things.

She gets that twice a day plus whenever one of the other two dogs need
to go out, because I always let *all* the dogs out when any one of them
needs to go.

I think
she's gotten it in her little brain that outside is for fun and games.
It IS, but AFTER potty. Stick to that dictate and you'll have a dog who
pees and poops when asked.

That's what I have been doing, because she LOVES her walks, and I'm
trying to make that a reward for going potty, even if it's just going a
few houses down the street or to visit a neighbor as opposed to a
full-scale walk.

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(Name omitted to protect the guilty) wrote:
HOWEDY Melinda Mehan,

Hmmm, I see you missed my post where I said that I was not welcoming
replies that would invite a post from Candace the Border Collie.

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it was the lighting and thunder
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Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
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She's 7 months old (as opposed to being like 7 weeks old), and that's
not exactly an immediate goal but where I would like to end up. But do
note that my goal *included* that if she needed to go out in between
times, she would let me know.

But you haven't helped teach her how to tell you or been observant of
signs (they exist, trust me on that one) or offered adequate supervision.

Well, my other two dogs are 30-ish pounds and 40-ish pounds, and the
30-ish pound dog has geriatric post-spay incontinence, and she does okay
going out every 3-4 hours.

That's nice. My senior dog can go 24 hours. What's your point? Dogs
are individuals, just like humans. Some need to "go" more often,
especially when they are very young. Deal with it.

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Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Janet Boss wrote:
She's 7 months old (as opposed to being like 7 weeks old), and that's
not exactly an immediate goal but where I would like to end up. But do
note that my goal *included* that if she needed to go out in between
times, she would let me know.

But you haven't helped teach her how to tell you or been observant of
signs (they exist, trust me on that one) or offered adequate supervision.

With all due respect, do you think I would have come asking for more
information on the NG if I already knew it?

You made 3 claims. Claim 1 is part of what I came here asking to learn.
Claim 2 I am already aware of to some degree and also see my statement
about Claim 1. Claim 3 -- well, I am not sure you are correct on that,
either, because your responses leave me with the feeling that you are
spending more energy on telling me that I am wrong than on finding out
more details of my situation to make sure you have an accurate picture.

Timeline on this: I got the puppy. I looked on the Web for information
on housebreaking, evaluated what I read as far as logic and apparent
credibility of the site, and followed it. It didn't work the way they
said it would. So now I am going back to the drawing board and trying
to get interactive help.

I am a teachable person (as opposed to the type of person who says,
"Don't confuse me with the facts -- my mind is made up."), although I am
rather slow on the uptake these days when trying to assimilate new
information and am cautious about adopting new ideas until I can
evaluate them and then assimilate them so that I can apply them uniformly.


Well, my other two dogs are 30-ish pounds and 40-ish pounds, and the
30-ish pound dog has geriatric post-spay incontinence, and she does okay
going out every 3-4 hours.

That's nice. My senior dog can go 24 hours. What's your point? Dogs
are individuals, just like humans. Some need to "go" more often,
especially when they are very young. Deal with it.

This sounds like an unproductive type of critical, sarcastic response.
Now, I know that sometimes I come across in my very
logical/orderly/factual/analytical/Mr. Spock-type manner as sarcastic,
but I never am. I am hoping that you aren't, either, but I am having a
hard time seeing past what appears to be sarcasm.

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