"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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Prior to calling the company of the dog food with onion powder in it,
I
called my vet. She assured me that any onion and garlic is fine except
fresh/raw. Then I called the company (Masterfoods USA) who confirmed what
the vet said.
..........I'd ask them for proof from a study. Everyone hacks at people for
feeding their dog a bit of human stew with the occasional onion piece (oh
those stupid, uninformed people!), so if they want to put it in food where
the dog will be eating it every day, then they'd better cough up the proof.
Same with garlic. And more than the issue of fresh/cooked, it's more an
issue of whether your dog can process it or not. Some dogs are missing a
metabolic system step, other dogs can handle it fine. Either way, I'd want
more than a pat on the head from a commercial company. Or is it that it
isn't all that bad in small doses? Hmmmmmmm.

AFAIR, compounds causing HA are present in higher amounts in leeks, and wild
onions. Cultivated onion is next, and I think cultivated garlic has the
least.

http://www.jaaha.org/cgi/content/full/41/1/68
Among Japanese and Korean purebred dogs (e.g., the Shiba and Jindo breeds),
some individuals are particularly susceptible to onion-induced hemolytic
anemia.28,29 The high susceptibility of these dogs occurs from inherited
high concentrations of erythrocyte reduced glutathione, which accelerates
the oxidative damage produced by the sodium n-propyl thiosulfate and its
derivatives found in onion and garlic

From the ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/....pdf?docID=349

Also, I noticed something in the food that I feed that I did not notice
before "grapeseed oil". If grapes are bad, and raisins too, what's the
deal
with that?
........Google it. Grape seed extract (a powder) was popular for a long time
because of the high levels of antioxidants. Grape seed oil contains omegas
plus antioxidants. I don't always trust Wikipedia, but prefer to look at
different sources, including PubMed when making a decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape_seed_oil

And grapes and raisins aren't toxic. The initial reports of problems were
with dogs who ate large amounts. Same with macadamia nuts. It's all about
dose and a particular animal

As for who to believe, read, read and read some more, then make up your own
mind.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

Prior to calling the company of the dog food with onion powder in it,
I
called my vet. She assured me that any onion and garlic is fine except
fresh/raw. Then I called the company (Masterfoods USA) who confirmed
what
the vet said.
.........I'd ask them for proof from a study.


I asked them for literature with the information that it is safe. They said
they don't have it. Sounds suspicious to me.


AFAIR, compounds causing HA are present in higher amounts in leeks, and
wild
onions. Cultivated onion is next, and I think cultivated garlic has the
least.

http://www.jaaha.org/cgi/content/full/41/1/68
Among Japanese and Korean purebred dogs (e.g., the Shiba and Jindo
breeds),
some individuals are particularly susceptible to onion-induced hemolytic
anemia.28,29 The high susceptibility of these dogs occurs from inherited
high concentrations of erythrocyte reduced glutathione, which accelerates
the oxidative damage produced by the sodium n-propyl thiosulfate and its
derivatives found in onion and garlic

From the ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/....pdf?docID=349


thanks for those links. they are helpful.


Also, I noticed something in the food that I feed that I did not notice
before "grapeseed oil". If grapes are bad, and raisins too, what's the
deal
with that?
.......Google it.


here's what I found.....
Grape seed extract:A great deal of recent evidence supports the value of
grape seed extract in reducing free radicals and decreasing the chances of
developing chronic diseases. It is best to use standardized extracts.
Alternatively, your dog can drink 1 cup of "purple" grape juice a day. The
dose of the extract is 1 capsule daily (usually 50 mg in strength).
http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/neuro/Al..._Med_Neuro.htm


Grape Seed Extract and Pycnogenol® are excellent anti-oxidants for dogs, Jan
Hodges is not sure how cats react to them. Pycnogenol® is expensive, you can
use grape seed extract instead. Bob Karjala recommended 1 grape seed extract
capsule (100mg / MSM 400mg) per day (humans). Asked benefits of grape seeds
extract, Bob said, "Grape seed extract contains proanthocyanidins which are
very strong antioxidants and may act similarly to the CoQ-10. I have read
that they may have anti-tumor effects. The brand that I took also contained
400mg per capsule of MSM (methyl sulfonyl methane) which is purported to
enhance transport of substances into the cells. I would add MSM to any
complementary program in case it is effective." On chemo day or the evening
before, Bob advised not taking vitamins, grape seed extract or CoQ-10 (for
more information, see this letter in the BoBK directory).
http://theherbs.info/supplements.html

I know that grapes are toxic to dogs, but how about grapeseed oil? -Jackie
S. Good question, Jackie. At this time, we have no data indicating
problems from exposure to grapeseed extract or oil, as we have seen with
grapes or raisins. Most nutritional supplements and other products
containing grapeseed oil or extract contain relatively small amounts, and so
far we have not seen serious problems with
canines.http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer...e=grapeseedoil


As for who to believe, read, read and read some more, then make up your
own
mind.


I do like to make up my own mind but don't always feel qualified, no matter
how much I read.

And grapes and raisins aren't toxic. The initial reports of problems were
with dogs who ate large amounts. Same with macadamia nuts. It's all
about
dose and a particular animal


any thoughts on dehyrated grapes for my small dogs?

just found out they are in this treat (the spinach one)...
https://www.drsfostersmith.com/produ...514&catid=4 5

"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...
And grapes and raisins aren't toxic. The initial reports of problems
were
with dogs who ate large amounts. Same with macadamia nuts. It's all
about dose and a particular animal

any thoughts on dehyrated grapes for my small dogs?

just found out they are in this treat (the spinach one)...

...........They don't really know the mechanism for the problem with eating
large amounts of raisins and grapes. So while I wouldn't freak out if a dog
ate a grape which bounced onto the floor, or got a piece of a slice of
raisin toast, I don't know If I'd buy treats with dehydrated grapes since
your dogs are small. Why don't you try a teaspoon of yogurt for a treat?
Or a plain crouton? Or a piece of plain rice cake? If it's different,
it's a treat.

My dogs get Sports Mix cheese biscuits. They're only 1 inch square and
sometimes I even break them in half. My dogs are all 55 lb plus. It's not
the amount, it's the idea. We used to have a local pet food store where I
could buy them out of a bulk box. Now I have to order them from
petfooddirect and wait for their 22% off sale. It's a 20 lb box and they
live in the freezer.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

any thoughts on dehyrated grapes for my small dogs?

just found out they are in this treat (the spinach one)...

..........They don't really know the mechanism for the problem with eating
large amounts of raisins and grapes. So while I wouldn't freak out if a
dog
ate a grape which bounced onto the floor, or got a piece of a slice of
raisin toast, I don't know If I'd buy treats with dehydrated grapes since
your dogs are small.

I bought this already, I have one. I wasn't sure if I should feed it or try
to return it. It is opened. I guess I will have to contact Dr F&S and see
what their policy is on returns.


Why don't you try a teaspoon of yogurt for a treat?
Or a plain crouton? Or a piece of plain rice cake? If it's different,
it's a treat.


they get yogurt occasionally in their kongs. its a big hit. I made
dehyrated sweet potatoes, carrots and pumpkin recently. They are also big
hits!
I think they will like croutons, they had rice cake before. If I remember
correctly only Maui liked it. good ideas though.