looking into poms and finding they come in many colors.
but this is the first time i have seen merle
whassup with that?

http://www.arcadianpoms.com/Lilblue.html

"Child" wrote in
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looking into poms and finding they come in many colors.
but this is the first time i have seen merle
whassup with that?
http://www.arcadianpoms.com/Lilblue.html

I have seen pics of them and I know that they are bred on your side of
Atlantic. That's another European breed which has weird colors over there
as Poms or other German spitz breeds don't have merle here. Mutations do
happen, but unless the first merle Pom has its parentage proven by blood-
typing, I'd say that a suitable Sheltie has been entered to the breeding
program one fine day.

Liisa

There is at least one line in Poms (so I'm told) that it was a spontaneous
mutation.

It's a really cute color in the breed

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"Liisa Sarakontu" wrote in message
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"Child" wrote in
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looking into poms and finding they come in many colors.
but this is the first time i have seen merle
whassup with that?
http://www.arcadianpoms.com/Lilblue.html

I have seen pics of them and I know that they are bred on your side of
Atlantic. That's another European breed which has weird colors over there
as Poms or other German spitz breeds don't have merle here. Mutations do
happen, but unless the first merle Pom has its parentage proven by blood-
typing, I'd say that a suitable Sheltie has been entered to the breeding
program one fine day.

Liisa


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"Liisa Sarakontu" wrote in message
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"Child" wrote in
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looking into poms and finding they come in many colors.
but this is the first time i have seen merle
whassup with that?
http://www.arcadianpoms.com/Lilblue.html

I have seen pics of them and I know that they are bred on your side of
Atlantic. That's another European breed which has weird colors over there
as Poms or other German spitz breeds don't have merle here. Mutations do
happen, but unless the first merle Pom has its parentage proven by blood-
typing, I'd say that a suitable Sheltie has been entered to the breeding
program one fine day.

I have nothing in the way of genetics expertise, but just upon looking at
the merle pom pictures, I immediately thought that there was Sheltie in the
"woodpile." There are small, poorly bred Shelties that have pom-like
features, and those merle poms have decidedly un-typy features that could
come from a sheltie cross. However, I think Chihuahuas might come in merle
too? And a LH Chi could have been used instead.
Compare the picture of the champion (bought, not bred, by these BYBs) to the
merles - the typy champion has small, rounded ears, short round muzzle,
compact square body; the merles have big pointy ears, longer pointier
muzzles, and longer bodies. Of course, that could be from poor breeding
since they are clearly just breeding for color and nothing else. But I
question the authenticity of the "spontaneous" merling...

Christy

(Melanie L Chang) wrote in
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I think the Corgi/Boxer cross experiments have shown us that the
effects of "adulterating" a purebred line can be obscured in very few
generations.

That was first time proven 100 (?) years ago when somebody wanted to see
what happens when you breed a Greyhound to a Bulldog, and then keep
breeding to pure Greyhound. The dogs looked like pure Greyhounds and even
ran like pure Greyhounds in just few short generations. They even ran so
well that other breeders used their offspring too. It is said that these
Bulldog crosses can be found from every modern Greyhound pedigree if you
look far enough.

If you care just about the looks of a dog, you can do such a cross between
any existing dog breeds, breed back to one of the original breeds and get
purebreed-looking dogs in 3-5 generations. And this is done regularly in
cattle and cat breeding - at least in some breeds you can do a breed cross
and count the offspring purebred after a certain number of generations.

One of the reasons I'll probably never buy a Pomeranian is that
frankly, the "typey" show specimens don't appeal to me at all. Give me
a leggy, big-eared dog with a real muzzle any day. I could never in
good conscience support a breeder who produced such dogs, so if I ever
have any more Poms, they will also be rescues.

Forget Poms, you are certainly a Mittelspitz person :-) They are REAL dogs
when compared to teeny tiny fluffy show-bred Pomeranians!

Liisa

Like Christy said some of the merles do look suspiciously sheltie-ish. but
really they are no uglier than the vast numbers of badly bred ORANGE poms
either, in fact some i have seen are nicer than my own orange rescue pom LOL
If there is a Sheltie behind the merles it is a ways back, as several different
lines of merles have been traced back to one dog named prince Albert (insert
some roman numerals here) which I think is 4-5 generations behind that
particular merle dog. So either a mutation occurred at least 20 yrs ago (when
Albert was born) OR sometime prior to that a sheltie was introduced. In either
case at this point it is much to late to know.

There are OTHER lines tho besides Alberts that have merles. So we just don't
know. I actually have a friend who is working on improving merles to the point
where they can be shown (without being embarrassed!), working with *good* dogs,
champions etc unlike alot of BYBs who *say* they are improving but really just
breeding them to their own mediocre (or worse) non-merle poms. Technically
they are allowed per our standard.

One of the reasons I'll probably never buy a Pomeranian is that frankly,
the "typey" show specimens don't appeal to me at all. Give me a leggy,
big-eared dog with a real muzzle any day.

OMG no, I love my little poms LOL well I love my big pom too but ....
neutered! hehe

Elizabeth
www.silhouettepoms.com

This would help explain why
German Poms still look like dogs instead of wind-up toys.

Actually most poms in Germany (that do well in shows) look alot like their
American counterparts. In fact a lot of German breeders import from over here.
Now if you go up one size to the kleinspitz, some look like US poms (the ones
that were just bigger zwergspitz) and some do look spitzier in type.

"Child" wrote in message ...
looking into poms and finding they come in many colors.
but this is the first time i have seen merle
whassup with that?

http://www.arcadianpoms.com/Lilblue.html

My goodness. Those are some of the worst-bred poms I've ever seen.
Some of the puppies don't look anything LIKE Poms. . .

Lesley

"Melanie L Chang" wrote in message
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One of the reasons I'll probably never buy a Pomeranian is that frankly,
the "typey" show specimens don't appeal to me at all. Give me a leggy,
big-eared dog with a real muzzle any day. I could never in good
conscience support a breeder who produced such dogs, so if I ever have
any more Poms, they will also be rescues.

I know a handful of agility poms, and most are non-typey, but very cute.
Some bought, some rescued. One owner of a jumbo-pom is getting a Papillon as
her next puppy, because she can't find a show breeder who offers any type of
guarantee that the dog can do any performance - luxating patellas in
particular are a huge problem but also eye and respiratory issues were
mentioned. I'm not convinced at this point that there are ANY responsible
pom breeders... so rescue is definitely the way to go!


Either that, or import a German "zwergspitz" pup, since I understand that
over on the continent, they prefer Poms that actually look like dogs.

I have a handful of dog breed books with dogs from other countries, and
there are several really attractive small spitz breeds, though I have no
idea how common they are in their countries of origin, let alone the US.

Christy